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What Causes This Lincoln's Color To Look Brushed On?

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I am sorry for using this picture to show as an example. But, I trying to make a decision on a slab 1909 s Xf-45. The coin looks very close to this example. This coin is nice, but there is streaks in the color. What causes these streaks? At first, I thought it was cleaned, but it is slabbed. If the coin was cleaned, then NGC would have it written on the slab. I am just curious.
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I believe these are known as woodys
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I also believe that they are known as woody's
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Thanks for the answer, I never heard of woody pennies. I have come across some of these pennies at my local coin shop. I always by-pass them, thinking they were cleaned. They always looked nice.
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Does this condition effect the grade compared to a coin of the same year,features,and mint?
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The "woodgrain effect" on bronze coins is caused by the different oxidation rates of different parts of the coin that have slightly different chemical compositions, due to an improperly mixed alloy. These "blobs" of different compositions are then stretched into long thin smears when the raw metal ingots are rolled into strips prior to punching the coin blanks out. See the CCF glossary page.
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Does this condition effect the grade compared to a coin of the same year,features,and mint?


Not sure how a TPG views it but I know with some collectors that makes the coin more desirable. If I had to guess I would say its probably looked favorably on in terms of eye appeal
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Here's a prior thread with some nice pics.
https://goccf.com/t/113018&SearchTerms=woody
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Woodie is a planchet flaw. The gloss is something else.

Some old time collectors were told to clear coat or shellac their coins.
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Thanks Sap! Y'learn something new every day. I only have found one woody, but now I will enjoy it even more knowing how it came to be that way.
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Woody LWC are very attractive IMO. I have a couple nice ones, a 1909p in xf brown, and a VERY nice Red 1926p.
I have yet to see a TPG designated Woody, but It may be out there.
From what I read, the San Fran Mint had the most Woody coins, but they can be found at other mints.
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I love the look of these cents, and like toned coins, sometimes they do bring a premium.
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I dont like toned but I do like woodies.

I honestly cant tell if TPGS attribute it or not. I dont think they do as I couldnt find any with that on the label but I did get a google hit for set registries that mention it, but it could have just been the owner adding the comment
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Does this condition effect the grade compared to a coin of the same year,features,and mint?


Unless the oxidation has altered the surface, or there are signs of a cleaning, it shouldn't.

However, be advised that if the TPG suspects the toning to be artificial in cause, they may label it as AT.
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Due to an ever increasing amount of error coin collectors, at coin shows those Wood Grained finishes are selling for some rather high prices. Naturally, as with any coin, the grade is sort of important too.
The shine on that 1919D Cent appears to indicate someone did a bit of cleaning or attempted something.
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Thanks, SAP, I always wondered about that and now I know they have a name. Woodies are cool - makes me think of the Beach Boys and driving to the beach in a woody!
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