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Victoria Large Cent Fakes?

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 Posted 10/06/2012  3:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Delareece to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys!

So, I recently bought 5 Victoria Large Cents off ebay. The dates are 1859, 1876, 1882, 1892, and 1894. I'm far from a Large Cent expert, so I'm just wondering your guyes opinions. Are these real?

The ebay seller seems rather reputable. Feedback score off 5578, and 100% positive. However, he will not accept returns for this item. He guaranteed them genuine.

I paided 25.00 USD for these, plus 3.99 USD for shipping. Came to around 30 dollars Canadian after paypal fees.

Are these coins faked at all in general? I don't see them being a popular fake, since they are rather common and not worth very much. However, all these coins seem in rather good shape and condition for being so old (especially the 1859). The 1859 has fairly detailed hair (I know that most casting fakes don't have very strong details), however, the coin does not appear to be perfectly circular. Also, the strike seems to be off-center (bottom right quarter of the rim appears thicker then the rest). Plus, the 1859 is about two thirds the thickness (and lighter) then the other four coins.

Thoughts?

Ps. Sorry for the slightly blurry pictures. The detail isn't quite as worn off as they look in the photos.

PPs. If these coins do happen to be real, what variety of the 1859 would you say this is?

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Thanks for looking!
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10/06/2012 3:27 pm
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 Posted 10/06/2012  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look good to me, although I would never say I'm an expert in Copper.
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 Posted 10/06/2012  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aiglet7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There doesn't appear to be any signs that these coins might be 'fakes' but you can go to this website and make comparisons for yourself - http://coinsandcanada.com/
Also, the NGC site will give you the composition, weight and diameter for these coins - http://www.ngccoin.com
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 Posted 10/06/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins appear authentic, also keep in mind that counterfeiters will never make inexpensive/common coins. they usually counterfeit the expensive $1,000.00 + Key dates.

Glenn
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10/06/2012 4:30 pm
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There doesn't appear to be any signs that these coins might be 'fakes' but you can go to this website and make comparisons for yourself - http://coinsandcanada.com/
Also, the NGC site will give you the composition, weight and diameter for these coins - http://www.ngccoin.com


Helpful links. Thanks!
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 Posted 10/06/2012  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Delareece to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Counterfeiters will never make inexpensive/common coins. they usually counterfeit the expensive $1,000.00 + Key dates.


Thanks! It's just odd that the 1859 coin appears not to be circular... almost ovalish. And that the strike isn't centered..
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 Posted 10/06/2012  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doctorman1941 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1859 looks fine. Just changed the degree a bit.

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 Posted 10/06/2012  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look fine to me also, and approx $6.00 each may have been a bit much.
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They look OK to me but I think you paid way too much.
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with SHAFTA9a, I sure wouldn't pay that much, but if you like 'em, I cant tell you that you paid to much for some coins that you love :)
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The Chinese fakes from a few years back targeted the 1858 and 1859 coins. Here is a link to my analysis of those efforts and how to tell a fake from a real one. Part 1 http://victorialargecents.blogspot....s-1859s.html and Part 2 http://victorialargecents.blogspot....2-1858s.html Besides the regular business strikes, they also had a Brass counterfeit, same markers.
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Here is a link to an article I wrote about the counterfeit 1858 and 1859 large cents from China http://issuu.com/Dan_in_Crystal_Lak...ounterfeit/1
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 Posted 10/07/2012  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man, some people will counterfeit anything they can get their hands on. Thanks for sharing Dan!
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 Posted 10/10/2012  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Delareece to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here is a link to an article I wrote about the counterfeit 1858 and 1859 large cents from China


Good read. Thanks!


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I sure wouldn't pay that much, but if you like 'em, I cant tell you that you paid to much for some coins that you love :)


I know I paid a bit much, however I'm trying to create a collection of pennies with every year the penny was minted in Canada. I'm more then two thirds done! :D
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