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Coin Show Report - Few Ancients But Interesting

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 Posted 10/07/2012  12:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Today I went to a very small coin show in the gym of an elementary school. Dealers had a lot of space because there were not many of them and only two had ancients. One of these had just bought an estate collection that included about 50 ancients. He said that the deceased assembled his (mostly world) collection in the 1960's through 1990's. I believe this is accurate because I recognized the sort of coins that I recall seeing in the early days of my hobby activity and none of what we see more of today. None were harshly cleaned, zapped or acid dipped.

The collection consisted of decent looking late Romans; common earlier coins were mid grade and rare rulers were all fakes (and not all that deceptive). There was an abused Augustus denarius which might have been real or fake but it was so beat up that it really did not make any difference. The dealer wanted to keep most of the silver and there were only a couple of them I would want so all I bought are bronzes.

I bought 5 coins. This dealer always answers requests for prices with "What do you want to pay?" which starts the back and forth counteroffers. As a result I have to decide how much I paid for each individual coin but I do know the total that the 5 cost. Each of you who likes to play games can decide which of the 5 were winners and which were 'also rans'.

One is a mid grade quadrans (3.61g copper) of Trajan. It is a bit unusual in that it has Trajan's portrait (many quadrantes do not) and extensive legends in very small letters. The reverse is a wolf but there are no twins. Second was a 24g sestertius of Faustina II (as first daughter) with Laetitiae Publicae reverse. It is quite worn and polished which could mean it once served as a pocket piece for a gentleman of days gone by. Third is an AE1 follis of Diocletian which I suspect was one of the last coins added to the collection. A lot of these hit the market in the early 1990's and anyone with any sense bought a couple while they were cheap. This was a variety I did not have and is not terribly flatly struck as are so many of the type. The last two are Rome mint AE3's of Constantine and Licinius. Constantine is in better shape but Licinius has a better style portrait. The dealer said that he had the records of where and for how much each coin was bought. I would like to see that list. Such information might make me feel better about what I had to pay for ordinary coins of a day gone by.



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 Posted 10/07/2012  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I would love to own any or all 5 of these beauties, I have no idea what you paid, but I think one would get a pretty good deal at a coin show...very nice...
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 Posted 10/07/2012  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice group!

I just recently got a Trajan/Wolf just like this one except it is uncleaned. I think it will be pretty nice if the stuff ever comes off it.
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Wow, you had a nice day at the races, eh dougsmit? (I like all five coins) ...

Ummm, since you were game for playing my Friday night drunken coin-purchasing game, I will certainly give you my gut-personal-feeling ratings for your five contestants ...

I will rate them from 5 to 1 (least to most desireable):

5) the Trajan wolf coin (yeah I know, 9 times outta 10 I would pick the animal coin, but this one is just a bit too worn when I compare it against the other examples ... nice coin, but it pales in comparison to its siblings)

4) Licinius

3) Constantine

2) Sestertius of Faustina II (sure, it may be a bit worn, but it has just a nice warm feeling about it ... great eye-appeal in my opinion)

1) Diocletian AE I Follis (great looking coin with awesome detailing and a very pleasing green patina)

NOTE => I didn't research and try to get prices for any of the coins, so I certainly may have neglected to recognize if one of the five coins is an out-lier that is worth 10x as much as any of the others ... my rating is based solely on "looks/feel"

=> congrats on all five (not a dog in the bunch)



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 Posted 10/07/2012  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A very nice group of coins, the detail on the Constantine is excellent. I think that you probably got these coins for around $90.
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 Posted 10/07/2012  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nothus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always enjoy seeing what you pick up at shows, very nice haul.
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 Posted 10/07/2012  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting story--and attractive group!
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Really great looking group of coins Doug.
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 Posted 10/13/2012  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Learned something today: Both the Licinius and the Constantine shown above have traces of cloth drapery worn with the cuirass. In the case of Constantine, that is perfectly normal but Licinius generally is found with cuirass but not with the drapery making this one what RIC calls obverse B4 rather than the common B5 and bumps the rarity of the coin to R4 compared to the common version. With Constantine, the opposite holds and the rare ones are those without the drapery. I see all this as a bit ridiculous and would not pay more or ness for either of these coins based on one being R4 and the other C2 but there are many ways of collecting.
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 Posted 10/13/2012  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coins ds! I'm going to an elementary gym coin show tomorrow....hope I find some goodies like these!
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