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Old Shanghai Bread Token

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 Posted 10/07/2012  03:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KONDi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Dear All,

I am a new member on this forum. I collect chinese old/modern/copper/chopmarked coins/tokens.

My first post is about old Shanghai bread token: Hall & Holtz LTD half loaf. I was wondering which half loaf is more rare: half loaf without "N" counterstamp or the one with "N counterstamp from 1925.

I also would like to know when and where half loaf without "N" counterstamp was issue? I heard that in UK, but do you know where exactly? I also heard that it was issued 1895. Can anyone confirm that.

Do you know some information available about this token on the Internet?

Thank you in advance.

KONDi
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2012.10.07
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 Posted 10/07/2012  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aiglet7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hall & Holtz was a well known bakery located on Nanking Road in Shanghai. Although undated, these tokens date from between 1895 and 1900 and were manufactured in England. In 1925 the business was acquired by J. Neil who stamped the bread tokens with a letter 'N' having punched the circular centre hole square. This was to distinguish them from the previous issues for which Hall and Holtz were still responsible.
Both varieties are considered to be rare and these tokens have been listed at auction for amounts ranging between $200 and $700 depending on condition.

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 Posted 10/07/2012  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting.

Thanks for sharing this information.
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 Posted 10/08/2012  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KONDi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted wrong photos. Those are 1 cent and 2 cents 1922 from China General Omnibus Company which issued 3 sets of bus tokens: 1st set (1922), 2nd set (1926) and 3rd set (1939). Could I ask how to modify photo and add correct photo of Hall & Holtz hald loaf bread token to this post?
Thank you in advanced!
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 Posted 10/08/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Click reply to topic, hi-light the HTML code to the images and delete them, and do the same procedures to upload your images again.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KONDi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
correct image of Hall & Holtz half loaf Shanghai bread token

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 Posted 10/09/2012  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I fixed the picture in the original post for you.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KONDi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Sap:)
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 Posted 10/10/2012  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manymore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I was wondering which half loaf is more rare: half loaf without "N" counterstamp or the one with "N counterstamp from 1925.


According to this Chinese website, the token with the square hole and "N" counterstamp is much rarer.

Gary
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 Posted 10/10/2012  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote, seen on school staffroom notice board:
"The staff of life is bread, but the life of our staff is one big loaf."

Actually, bread token collecting has a small but enthusiastic following in Australia.
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 Posted 10/12/2012  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KONDi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear sel_691,

Really? Could you recommand me some forum website where these collectors of bread token talk about their tokens?

Thank you in advance!
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 Posted 10/25/2012  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KONDi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear all,

I did some researches about this bread token. The results I gather here:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index....topic=6635.0

Dear manymore half loaf with "N" counterstamp is not much rarer that person on the website you gave us is wrong. Anyway the picture of the token which he is posting belongs to me:

http://china-mint.info/forum/index....topic=6399.0
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