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A Moral Dilemma About A Coin Mixup

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 Posted 10/10/2012  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, since he hasn't replied to my "do you want the 1878 back?" I think yours is the course of action I'm going to take. He's not just a dealer--he's selling off a collection he's put together over 60 years, which suggests to me he needs the money. On one hand, he would know the shilling got a good home and wasn't just being flipped for silver value--but on the other, it's a $20 coin. If you need the money, that's a lot of it to lose. I thought I could return it with a note that I appreciate his honesty and want to repay in kind.
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 Posted 10/10/2012  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I would definitely send the wrong coin back, whether he asked for it or not.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good plan ninamason!
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 Posted 10/12/2012  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, here is where we stand:

I got his new package today, containing my damaged* shilling and also a 1937 Buffalo nickel (not a D, not a three-leg, before anyone asks). The nickel was very pretty and tempting and is a year I don't have, so I included some money for the nickel (I found pricing of about $17 for UNC and $2 for XF, nothing for AU; I split the difference and sent $5).

My package included the 1878 shilling wrapped in the $5 and a handwritten note telling him what should be in the envelope and thanking him for his kindness and honesty; it went to PostNet tonight and should be on its way to Texas tomorrow.



*for those just joining this program who don't want to backread, I knew it was damaged when I bid on it--this is the reason I was able to afford it.
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 Posted 10/12/2012  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest that both you and the seller have done the proper thing ... I see no 'moral dilemma' at all here.

IMHO this is simply a case of being honest and living a responsible life ... pleased to learn from the comments above that both of you are meeting that standard.

David
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 Posted 10/12/2012  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sean1125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So hes messed up multiple times and gave you wayyyy over the auction win and still hasn't asked for it back?
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10/12/2012 11:43 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2012  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sean,

It was a single mixup--he sent me a worn but undamaged 1878 shilling, instead of the damaged 1881 I purchased. Seen from the back the two are almost identical in-hand, so I can understand where the mixup came from. The shilling I purchased was about $5; the one he sent was worth about $20. When I asked what he wanted to do, he mistook my concern for displeasure (I think) and sent the shilling I had bid on, plus a Buffalo nickel "as compensation." I personally felt if anyone was owed compensation, it was him--hence my original question.


@nickelsearcher--eBay has always been a funny business for me. I finally went with "If I were in a store and accidentally walked out with an unpaid item neither the clerk nor I noticed was in my cart . . . " as my guide.
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 Posted 10/13/2012  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add argentum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting story here!

I bet he'll be when he gets your note.

An awesome, kick in the head development would be if he sent you that shilling back insisting that you keep it.
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 Posted 10/13/2012  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh lord, if he sent it back I would be myself. And then tucking it very carefully away, because it's a lovely coin to me both in terms of aesthetics and sentiment (I'm not related to Arthur Conan Doyle, so I've just sort of retroactively adopted him as a great-great-great-great-cousin a couple of times removed; hopefully he doesn't mind). The one I actually bid on looks like someone wasn't too fond of Her Majesty--there are hack marks across her face. I'm also okay with that, though; if coins could talk! I like to imagine it was a mishap rather than intentional vandalism; what a fun story that would be.
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 Posted 10/13/2012  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*CLAP!* and a cheers! Invite him to coin our community!!
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 Posted 10/13/2012  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And/or send the seller a link to this topic.
There are people here who would like to say thank you.



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 Posted 10/13/2012  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got a reply last night--he thanked me for sending back the 1878 and told me the buff was supposed to be a gift. I told him I hoped he wouldn't be offended that I felt badly about just flat-out taking what, to me, is a valuable coin. Also requested a combined total on a couple of other lots I picked up from him and told him I thought he'd infected me with the foreign-coins bug, which is apparently quite amusing (I'm gonna need a bigger shoebox).

I will pass on the link! (See, and this "gift" thing is precisely why I asked in the first place--I had the fortune to grow up in a town full of teensy mom and pop stores and the misfortune to usually have to shop corporate places anyway.)
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 Posted 10/14/2012  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if he offers to pay the return shipping then send him back the coin.

chances are it's cheaper for him to let you keep it.
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 Posted 10/14/2012  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Senex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I personally felt if anyone was owed compensation, it was him


I don't see the logic in that. He sent the wrong coin, not you.
Frankly I think you are making too much of this entire incident.
If you ask me it's a lot of fuss and feathers over a trivial amount.
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10/14/2012 12:26 pm
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 Posted 10/14/2012  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To you it might be a trivial amount, Senex, but here's what $20 is to me:

--gas to and from work for a week
--a week's food
--half of a new pair of work shoes
--1/6 my car insurance for one month
--a haircut
--two oil changes for my car

That's without touching on amenities: $20 is half of a concert ticket in nosebleed, a new skirt, a meal out with a friend, and 1/3 of what I need for Christmas presents.

When you're poor, you think of money very differently. I don't think it's trivial to say that if he sent me the correct coin, plus a valuable second coin in apology, that I should worry over the first, not-chump-change-itself, incorrect coin.
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