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1921-S Buffalo Nickel...opinions

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 Posted 10/10/2012  10:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just wanted to get some opinions on how you might grade this coin. The issue is really how the porosity effects it's value.

My opinion, I would call it a XF-40 details (slightly porous surfaces) with a net F-12. A normal buffalo, I'd go VF-30, but on this notoriously poorly struck date, I don't think there was much more horn/head detail on this coin when it came out of the mint so I'd call it XF details. The reverse has only very minor porosity, but the obverse is more noticeable. I still think it would go net F-12 (or higher) because I can't imagine choosing a VG with barely any horn, poor obverse rim and weak date over this coin.

What do you guys think.

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 Posted 10/10/2012  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might postit on the Classis Coin Grading part of the forum. You'd probably get more responses.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericmckeown to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice key date coin! Not sure on grade though VF-XF...
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 Posted 10/11/2012  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is a VF details and it's close to EF, but not quite. I don't think it would get a F details grade, as the details are too strong for it to be netted down to F and teh issues with the coin are really not bad- they don't greatly take away from the eye appeal.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The porosity doesn't look bad at all, in the photos. Does it show worse, in hand?

If the photos are an accurate description, I would grade it as VF-35.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The porosity on the reverse is very mild and you basically need magnification to see it. It's also very even. The obverse does look slightly rough to me. It's not offensive by any means, but it does distract a bit and I think it takes away value. The coin looks to me as one that may have actually been in the ground, but wasn't there for long and was lucky to be in an area that doesn't get rained on. I still would give it a net F-12 personally. Then again, I actually really like the coin because finding a 21-S with that much detail is really tough, so maybe it could net higher.

As far as details grading, I do believe it would go XF-40. I realize the horn isn't complete, but I don't think this coin was struck with a horn tip. I know the pics are small, but in hand you can see there is actually very little wear on the horn area, it doesn't look like other pieces I've seen that would deserve VF due to wear. The obverse detail is also slightly obscured by the porosity.
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 Posted 10/11/2012  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super nice coin for a really tough year/mm. I'm with you at XF40 and a great collector coin but
I agree with your premise that you would not get top dollar for it due to the granularity.
Still worth a pretty penny though!
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 Posted 10/11/2012  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would pass on this coin if I were you and look for one with better surfaces. In time you'll probably want to upgrade it because it doesn't look right in your Buffalo nickel set so you might as well find one that doesn't have any surface problems you'll like to keep. It's always better to ante up for a problem free coin rather than settle for one that could potentially be a problem just getting your money back if you decide to sell it later. Coins like this are so very subjective as to what to price it at and you don't want to overpay for it.

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 Posted 10/11/2012  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not interested in buying the coin as I am already the owner. I have one better one in my first personal collection so it won't get that slot either. I want to keep it as a second string piece because I really like it's detail. It actually has slightly better detail than my first string, but that one is problem free and would be worth more.

I asked the question mostly to see what it would net grade as I felt there was some ambiguity there.
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 Posted 10/12/2012  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Captain Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would call this coin VF-35 maybe EF-40 nice looking Indian head nickle you have.
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 Posted 10/14/2012  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinguy1000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF30
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