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Proof Coins Now In Circulation, How To Determine Price?

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I saw an 19th century coin recently from circulation that wasn't in the PCGS price guide, that is until I realized that it was only released as Proof. For 19th century coins in the guide that only seem to have prices starting at PR60, how would one determine a price for them if say they're now in Fine circulated condition?
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do you have a picture? I would assume since there are so few circulated proofs it would be hard for the guides to set an accurate price. The seller probably would have to list it on an auction site (with a pretty low starting bid) and let the market set the price.
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A proof coin is always a proof, since it is a manufacturing process.

It would be graded as PRF-12 then. It would be interesting to see a photo of it though.

If you don't have a photo of both sides, what is the year and denomination of the coin?

I'm not sure how to determine that low of a value though. It would be anybody's guess, but it might be worth less than half of the PRF-60 price?
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If a proof coin has seen circulation, I would describe it an impaired proof, and grade it as you would any other issued for circulation coin.
As for price, that would be as for the issued for circulation piece.

If it was a off metal strike such as a silver proof, then a bullion value would have to be added to the price. Most silver proofs would not last very long in circulation before they would be spotted, and removed by the excited finder.

I have actually found a pad printed colourised proof in circulation, but although it is in nearly uncirculated condition, I do not think it would be valued at much above face value now.


andym: The fact that your coin is a proof may well enhance it's value greatly, simply because it may be quite rare. 19th century proofs are usually rare. The rarity would need to be confirmed, along with a confirmation of the accuracy of the price guide you are using.
BTW, what IS the coin? A description of it is needed.

And there is always the chance that it may be a privately made fantasy piece, photographs will be needed for an opinion to be expressed by us. Such fantasys have been shown on the CCF before.

For value, I would nominate the value of it for the PR60 price and use the Sheldon scale of grades to work out a numerical reduction in value. Having made that point, the coin is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it.
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I don't believe I have ever seen a classic proof that worn, it would be a great coin to see a picture of
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It's an 1877 Twenty Cent Piece, about F15-VF20 condition.
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Twenty Cents - 1877 Proof

FMV Prices (Good-PR60)

G4 1800

VG8 2070

F12 2400

VF20 2700

XF40 3030

AU50 3380

AU53 3470

AU55 3560

AU58 3780

PR60 4030


http://www.numismedia.com/cgi-bin/c...de2=pricesms
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Thanks oih82w8. This I guess was quite a find. BTW, what does FMV of "FMV prices" mean?

OK, duh, Fair Market Value.
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Fair Market Value. Before getting your hopes up, a coin of this caliber would require Third Party Grading certification by PCGS, NGC or ANACS.
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Required? I don't think it's required. Why would that be?
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I'd agree it's required. The 19th century was filled with contemporary counterfeits. Best to have the thing certified as a proof.

Of course it's never *required*, but I'd say it's a very very very very very very very good idea. How's that?
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If you plan to sell it, you really need it certified as genuine since it is a rare coin. Rare coins are heavily counterfeited, or often have altered dates. I guess it's not "required", but it is definitely worth the expense in a case like this.
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Yes, if authentic it would command a much higher premium in a slab.
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I would love to see pics of this as well.

How could that coin be found in circulation. Obviously since 20 cent pieces were gone by the turn of the century it didn't hang around. I may be wrong, but I don't think an 1877 20c was ever certified in F-12, so it wouldn't be a stolen collector piece. If the theory is that it was stolen at a higher grade and obtained wear in circulation, I ask how? It would have to be moved around for a while and the size difference to quarters and composition wouldn't allow it to ever be processed by a coin rolling center....plus it would certainly have been pulled by someone if it were to have been found.

This would be the strangest circ find I've ever heard of. I know of a 2-cent piece that was used to make a purchase (and kept by cashier and not circulated btw) and I know of several situations where Morgan/Peace dollars were used, but this would take the cake.
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hesgut, I didn't find this in circulation of course and bought it off of someone. But it seemed to obviously have been in circulation for a time, as it doesn't have the mirror/frosty proof style and it has wear ("Liberty" is almost gone from the shield). Do 18th century Proof coins originally have the same frosted/mirror image as modern Proof coins? This coin is NOT certified.
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