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Tons of lustre on that coin, but a very weak strike. Note that there is hardly any elements of wear on the leaf tips on the reverse. I agree with the AU grade. You have to remember that this series of Canadian coins (George V 5-cent nickel) are probably the toughest to grade, because this series was prone to such weak strikes. I have mint state coins that almost look like this one, but struck so weakly, that if you removed the lustre, they would instantaneously be F-15.
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Not a chance at an AU. The US TPG's when grading circulated Canadian coins (up to AU grade) are way off (they overgrade) compared to ICCS. Not a snowball's chance in he**, ICCS grades that coin AU. |
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I would take that bet. Brian Cornwell knows the George V 5-cent series, and the weak strikes, better than anyone. I bet ICCS would cross grade that EF-45 to AU. Again, look at other elements of the coin, because the highest points were never there in the first place... In fact, I would pay full Trend VF price plus 10% for every "VF" George V nickel 5-cent that looks like the one in question. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
Edited by SPP-Ottawa
10/15/2012 10:04 am
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SPP-you could be right.
I'm certainly no expert.
It's just the track record of PCGS (or NGC) for circulated Canadian coins is awful when comparing to ICCS's standards.
In regards to this particular coin, I do see 'wear' on the high points of the obverse.
I realize weak strikes are out there and for particular dates, but this does not strike (pardon the pun) me as such.
For me, weak strikes have more of an overall weak strike,with an even field of lustre, not isolated as this one does. I do see isolated patches of dull wear, especially on the obverse.
It would be nice if we could have a friendly wager on this one.
Edited by doubleeagle59
10/15/2012 10:20 am
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Unfortunately, the seller is in Jacksonville, Florida, so I don't imagine they are interested in an ICCS cross-grade...
It works both ways with US grading companies - the old adage still applies, buy the coin, not the holder. I recently bought a 1926 Near 6, in a NGC VF-30 holder - I get the coin in hand, and it was a weak strike mint state coin. The coin is currently at ICCS, getting certified. Heck of a buy for $60.
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Again, I agree with you.
Your 1926 example, I believe, relates more to 'mistakes' made by grading companies.
Mistakes are out there and the seasoned coin veteran can do very well by spotting these.
I've got my share of great buys too.
But with the 1925 5c, I'm talking more about grading standards and philosophies.
I'm still standing pat on this one that PCGS has shown its true lower 'standards' with Canadian coins.
Edited by doubleeagle59
10/15/2012 10:25 am
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Whilst I know nothing of which issues are prone to weak strikes in Canadian coins, there is a heck of a lot of detail missing, especially on the obverse.
I would prefer to have a worn example with no lustre but near full details than a mint state coin which is so poorly struck.
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IMO you must grade these weak strikes in hand.The remaining lustre is the key,and can't readily be determined from photos.There is little actual wear on this coin,EF40-AU50.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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SPP - If you wouldn't mind, I'd be interested to hear how your 1926 nickel comes back cross-graded from ICCS, and probably others would as well.
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SPP, you mean my 1926 you sent in.....LOL.........take a poke at the grade ICCS gave this one? I have hundreds I have purchased over the years from VF up to assist me when approaching this series. The coin is still in the ICCS flip sorry for the poor image.  |
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here ya go point made?  |
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my initial reaction was weak strike 45
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one more   |
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one more for fun.   |
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Not being a huge nickel collector, I thought VF 20 too. Glad to be learning about the series in this thread. Now, what's the grade on this last one?
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