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 Posted 10/19/2012  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvercoinrn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does a regular camera work well enough to VAM coins? I have threee 1878 P morgans I can tell the differences between then. I know that one is an 8 tf and 2 are 7tf
of the 7tf one is long nock one is short nock
beyond that is where I am coming into problems. It takes a lot of time. I think it is easiest for me to tell the differences when I can physically see the coins rather than in a picture
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 Posted 10/19/2012  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does a regular camera work well enough to VAM coins? I have threee 1878 P morgans I can tell the differences between then. I know that one is an 8 tf and 2 are 7tf
of the 7tf one is long nock one is short nock
beyond that is where I am coming into problems. It takes a lot of time. I think it is easiest for me to tell the differences when I can physically see the coins rather than in a picture


For coins in-hand a 10x loupe would work better to view the smaller pick-up points (PUPs).

For photographs the larger the file, the better. For me to see the small stuff the photo needs to be around 250K or larger and in-focus. Of course lighting is very important, too.

Here's my technique for online photos:
- Create a folder somewhere to download these and download only to this folder. Download the images to the folder (obverse and reverse)and any close-ups provided.
- Open the folder and right-click on the file and select "open with" ... here's where there's some divergence ... I have MS Office installed and I open with MS Office. This is a great all around image viewer as it has a convenient sizer at the bottom and I can "tweak" the image easily by clicking the "edit image" button at the top. That opens up a menu allowing me to lighten/darken the image and increase contrast. By using these two tools some PUPs jump out on the image.
- For 1878-P I determine the # of tailfeathers, long/short nock, rev of 78 or 79, broken/complete 'r', open/closed 'o', etc. Here's the link to my "By the numbers" tutorial from a couple years back https://goccf.com/t/48638
- You're trying to reduce the number of candidates to research. If it's an 8TF, look at the feather configuration between the eagle's legs and wings and compare to the examples shown in the tutorial. Match the configuration and check the VAMs listed for each. If it's a 7/8 TF count the number of exposed TF's under the 7 showing and also look at the underneath of the olive branch above the arrow feathers. If you don't see any underlying TF's, first check for Vams 30, 31 and 45. Next go to the B1 reverses. etc. ... follow the tutorial.

I know it seems cumbersome, but you'll be amazed at how fast you can remember the stuff after several attempts.

Don't forget to delete the pics from your folder when done and empty the recycle bin every so often.
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 Posted 10/19/2012  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvercoinrn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought collecting coins was addicting. Now Vamming is becoming addicting
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 Posted 10/19/2012  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
in a BIG way! I let an 1888-O VAM7A in what appeared to be strong AU get away from me yesterday.... I think it would/will have a POP of 1. SIGH.....
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 Posted 10/24/2012  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrweaseluv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm Fairly new to VAMing myself but I have had 1 real fantastic find so far (I have posted already in this forum for "id" so don't want to give it away here) At the moment it is in the hands of the evil USPS on it's way to ANACS (pcgs does not handle this VAM) There is something about finding out a coin you bought for a modest price and have it turn out to be an R6 with a population of only about 30ish across all grades. Being a "poor" collector I know I will probably end up selling it and using most of what I might get for more coins (getting more coins is the only good reason I can see selling a coin for lol)So am I hooked on VAMing? How could I not be :D The part I still need to figure out now is how and where I will find the best market for something like this as I do so seldomly sell any of my coins and never anything like this.
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I have recently been introduced to "vamming" and have been searching my morgans using the vamworld website. I have found an 1882-p VAM 28 early die state. The website says this "extremely elusive" EDS has only 3 known specimens. The coin is raw and suspect it would grade high au, possibly an ms 60-61. I have been unable to find any kind of price for this coin and would probably be interested in selling it. Can anyone give me an idea of the value of this coin? Thanks!
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florida352 if it is indeed the correct VAM you would probably want to get ahold of Logan McKechnie at http://vamsandmore.com he is one of the market setters in high quality and rare VAM dollars. only thing is the interest level isn't a big one, not like the E reverse or clashed dies. The value is not likely in the realm of 4 figures, probably closer to a thousand possibly, but Logan is your guy for a value.
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