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Pillar of the Community
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Dave, get out of my brain! LOL
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United States
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Quote: . I think you left it in the acetone for way too long. You could leave the coin in acetone for months on end and it will do absolutely nothing to the coin. Acetone has no chemical reaction with metals. So the basis for your argument is totally non existent.
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Pillar of the Community
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How do dealers "prepare" their raw coins for sale? If a dealer obtained this same coin, would they clean it to make it look like the finished coin, or leave it as is? I know personally, when seeing raw coins at shows, they usually look more like the finished coin than the before version...
I agree w/ smokeriderdon in that it looks MUCH better and that it was not degraded in any way.
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Quote: Acetone has no chemical reaction with metals. This is true, but it does look different. If it didn't, why would anybody use it in the first place. The coin was negatively impacted by this cleaning. I'm puzzled at the last two individual's responses. They talk about consensus, but the consensus has always been to leave coins alone. An original coin has history, it has character. This coin has now had that removed, it yes, it is obvious. If the coin had something green on it, or anything else that really impacts eye appeal, I'd agree, but the coin looked really good before. I'm a buyer of such coins, all the time. If the seller told me 100 for the after coin, I'd say no. I suppose it should be noted that I have always been very put off by any type of cleaning, probably more so than most.
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One thing I've learned about coin collecting... and that is "to each, his own". Where some people are really put off by cleaning, to some it doesn't bother. Same w/ toning... Oh, well, I guess that's what makes us all different. 
Edited by Dave H 10/22/2012 2:43 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The grime in the original picture is expected for an EF coin. So when it's gone, it's assumed to be cleaned. When I buy IHCs, I look for coins that haven't been tampered. There's nothing wrong with using acetone, but it all depends on the reson your doing it.
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hesgut, your argument still is invalid. Acetone cannot cause a chemical reaction, therefore it is impossible for the coin to look different due to being dipped in acetone. The only thing that's "different" is that the crap that was on the coin was gone. The coin itself is undamaged.
Please learn what "inert substance that is unable to react" means. *smh*
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Quote: ... but the coin looked really good before.  And, I would have left it alone.
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Pillar of the Community
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Either before or after, the coin would fetch a pretty penny on ebay.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Quote: hesgut, your argument still is invalid. Acetone cannot cause a chemical reaction, therefore it is impossible for the coin to look different due to being dipped in acetone. The only thing that's "different" is that the crap that was on the coin was gone. The coin itself is undamaged.
Please learn what "inert substance that is unable to react" means. *smh* What a worthless post! I already agreed that acetone does not react with the surface of the coin. I simply said that the coin looks different. Should I repost the images for you side by side so you can compare them. Many other people would agree that acetone removing all the grime (and thus history) is considered cleaning. I was having a debate, I wasn't even arguing, and why have you just popped into this thread again and rudely responded to me, without even addressing said debate or the OP any further. Please refrain from saying things like "please learn....." That's nothing, but rude, and it's a very ignorant thing to say as well. My previous posts, if read correctly, show that I am familiar with what you are accusing me of not knowing anyhow.
Edited by hesgut 10/22/2012 6:33 pm
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Actually, hesgut, I have a wonderful program called GIMP that allows me to do exactly what you just suggested doing--putting the coins side by side, and I have already done that after your initial post made me go "wait . . . ". I see no difference except the removal of dirt, and you seem to be heavily outvoted on whether this is cleaning or conservation. It is physically impossible for the surface of this coin to have been changed, which is what would be required for it to "look different." Would you suggest that a coin buried in the ground and thus coated with crud to the point its year was invisible should be left as-is, not conserved to find out what it was? That, to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, would be silly.
As for the rest of your post, I don't feel the need to be schooled by you when you keep insisting that a coin that cannot react, has changed colour. I completely disagree with your assessment that this has done nothing but harm and halved the value of the coin, especially given that you're basing it on what seems to be the inaccurate premise that you can never do anything at all but harm to a coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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I would love to see the before and after side by side.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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It may not be easy to see the differences (before and after) on the computer screen. One monitor may show differences more or less than another. Also the pictures may not have been at exactly identical conditions. But, if I put this coin next to a few other IHC's, it appears slightly lighter in colour and a little more reflective. Understanding the aspect of "history removed", one could say that the coin doesn't end at the metal. But rather, its environmental effects become a part of it. To interfere is to attempt to hide history, thereby creating a falsity. Thank you all for your wonderful comments and information. They are truly appreciated. I'm not planning on selling the coin, but due to the fact that having been cleaned affects the appearance of the coin and its integrity, I think that fact should be disclosed to any prospective buyer, should the occasion arise. I like the way it looks in my hand.
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ninamason, I think you need to seriously improve your reading comprehension skills. I'm not sure how many times I have to write that I know exactly what acetone does and does not do. Once again, as well, regardless of what makes the difference in the appearance of a coin, whether it be removal of grime or all out wire brushing, it still looks different. Nobody will disagree there is a difference in appearance. Many collectors don't like this difference.
saying I have been "heavily outvoted" in this issue. I feel like a presidential debate fact checker. Presumably, those that approve would call it conservation and those that disapprove would call it cleaning.....right. Not including myself and yourself, there a 7 other posters in this thread whose opinion on this coin can be discerned from their response.
Those that indicated that approved of this cleaning include; daveH and smokeriderdon
Those that disapproved include; dvCollector, c...8539, superdave, shafta, and mdpmedia (he recommended against acetone at least.
So me being "heavily outvoted" supposedly, that cleaning on this coin is a bad thing seems to result in a score of 5-2 in my favor, including a forum moderator.
You've got to be kidding me with your last two posts. Why don't you write another absurd one telling me again about the surface of coin and how I supposedly don't know anything. *sigh*
Edit to say, didn't see the last response. It seams as though the OP himself, now would seem to agree with me (in terms of it being cleaned and looking different), making it 6-2. btw, this is no disrespect at all to you Jerry. I think you have a great coin that you should be proud of, but I just think you erred in your cleaning attempt.
Edited by hesgut 10/22/2012 8:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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hesgut, the belligerence isn't necessary. I miscounted Dave H twice as also being SsuperDdave, but I still see two people who say they like it better now, one who says "there's nothing wrong with acetone" (that would be your counting of DV, incidentally) and one who says "even if it did change the colour, the price differential in this range isn't huge."
And now I will bid you good day and goodbye, since you immediately responded to my disagreement with an attack and are now saying I can't read. Kindly do me the same courtesy.
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