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Can anyone help me find the Sheldon variety for this coin. This has the Cud above the OF and it is stemless. I can't seem to find it and I looked online at a few complete collections and I'm stumped. Now, I am an amature here, so it might be right in front of my nose. Also, any comments on the grade. Thanks, Jim.   |
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I think it might be F details, corroded. I am not a copper expert but I think the variety may be S-241. The VG-8 coin here has a Cud in the same spot. |
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I agree. The late die state of S-241 has the Cud. Think you can also just make out the remnant of the low-punched S beneath the second S in STATES. |
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Think you can also just make out the remnant of the low-punched S beneath the second S in STATES. That's not what I'm seeing down by the leaf, is it? Talk about a miss.... |
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You don't miss much, Dave...
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I just looked at some better-defined examples - the variety is new to me, not being an Early Copper guy - and the repunch is insane. I couldn't imagine that being a "bounce" unless the die/hub had the consistency of Silly Putty. How do you suppose it came to this?
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Philadelphia. 1802. Between Quaker frugality, and a Mint only nine years old with Congressional enemies ready to liquidate them if they came in a dime over budget, a die was deemed fit for service if it was in one piece. That's what I Iove about the early Mint! It's like Phillies baseball; moments of beauty alternating with spectacular blunders, and, with the right appreciation, you can be entertained either way.
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Not to mention drunk die punchers to add to the controlled chaos of the infant Mint, and Superintendents who thought they had it under control  swcoin.ecrater.com
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If you're referring to our recent forum conversation, v, I was really just trying to "paint a picture." I can't say I have actual documentation of syphilitic journeyman diesinkers' apprentices who were beaten daily and drank themselves to sleep on scrumpy cider. Wouldn't want to libel those 18th century Mint employees outright! Except Robert Scot; what a jerk. |
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 I've heard stories of Mr. Scot...I have to concur. swcoin.ecrater.com
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Thanks for the help on this coin. What amazes me the most about you experienced coin guys is what you see. So many times I will be looking at a coin, and someone will tell me what is there, and I still don't see it. More than anything I want to SEE what you SEE. Thanks, Jim..
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So do you see that lower curve of the mispunched S we're talking about? Can anybody post a pic of a high-grade example to point it out? This variety also has a second, lower bar to the fraction, which was punched twice. Not enough detail on that part of your coin for me to see it, though.
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Rest in Peace
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Its VF details IMO, but just hard to see the detail with the corrosion.
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Yes, I can see the piece of the S but it took me about a half hour to finally see it. I just don't see a lot of these subtle errors or differences on many of the coins I see. I can see the obvious errors, but if the coin is worn a little I have a difficult time. Like double 5 on small cents or 1800 over 1798 or even small 3 or big 3 and small date and large date, it looks so close to me even with a high power magnifying glass. I have some 2 cent pieces and there is 1864 with a small motto and large motto, I can't tell the difference even when they are in my hand. I have some large cents with 7 over 6 and I think one of them is the small 7 but I just don't know. Thanks.
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Not my coin just for the record   swcoin.ecrater.com
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Like double 5 on small cents or 1800 over 1798 or even small 3 or big 3 and small date and large date, it looks so close to me even with a high power magnifying glass. I have some 2 cent pieces and there is 1864 with a small motto and large motto, I can't tell the difference even when they are in my hand. I have some large cents with 7 over 6 and I think one of them is the small 7 but I just don't know. Thanks. We would be glad to help you if you post some pictures of your coins or ones you have questions about.  There are some amazingly smart people who frequent this Forum!  |
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