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Quote: Another one of those boxes we have ticked Scarcer Die pairing Obverse 1 Reverse C Shallow Portrait With the smaller reverse. Taken a while to find one and in a condition acceptable . Pictures always my nemesis but its all of AU and always happy when I tick a box which seems to take a lifetime . 1928 .500 Silver Halfcrown Davies 1703. Now the search is on for Dies 2+B1 Fantastic! 
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United Kingdom
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Picked up this beauty after an auction a couple of weeks ago. 15 leaf variety with practically full lustre and original colour.  
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Quote: Picked up this beauty after an auction a couple of weeks ago. 15 leaf variety with practically full lustre and original colour. Very nice! 
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Valued Member
Canada
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PCGS PR-66 quite a nice coin in hand and the nicest out of 6 Ive seen so far. 
''Buy the very best, stretch to buy it. It means if you can't afford to buy it, buy it anyway."
-Steven Duckor
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Quote: PCGS PR-66 quite a nice coin in hand and the nicest out of 6 Ive seen so far. Excellent! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is one of four Provincial British Halfpennies that arrived this afternoon in the post. It is the finest of the four, the obverse looks to be on fire from the glowing luster around the devices the reverse is an eerie, alien like mix of molted colors, going from green to red. A beautiful Bath DH-73 Halfpenny. Believe it or not I actually turned down the saturation on this composite, I need to spend some time shooting it in different lighting. A real looker that came from the Deane Collection, Part Two of his collection. 
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 09/21/2023 01:16 am
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Quote: This is one of four Provincial British Halfpennies that arrived this afternoon in the post. It is the finest of the four, the obverse looks to be on fire from the glowing luster around the devices the reverse is an eerie, alien like mix of molted colors, going from green to red. Outstanding! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Congratulations, westcoin, on another lovely Kempson's Conder, and another rat threatening another snake!
But who's this Deane guy?
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough." --- Mario Andretti
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Quote: But who's this Deane guy? I will let the words of Richard Gladdle tell his story, as it is from the Baldwin's auction catalog. I'm not positive but there will be at least 3 sales (scheduled anyways), one more still left to go. Quote: Patrick Deane first became interested in tokens in 1970 when he started working at Spink and Son Limited when they were coin dealers. He was given the task of running their token department with the help of Andre de Clermont, who had previously been in charge of it and had an extremely good knowledge of the series.
When Patrick left Spink in 1973 and went on his own as a coin dealer, he started to collect the Eighteenth Century Token Series or Conder tokens as they are known in America, and formed a very good collection with many rare and interesting pieces. By 1984 he had amassed some 1,250 pieces and decided that there was too much competition from other collectors to buy the rarest and best pieces! He priced each piece in the collection and offered the tokens to the four main collectors at that time. They bought about half the collection and then over the next couple of years Patrick disposed of the remaining pieces.
Twenty years or so elapsed before the collection was re-started, when a chance meeting with Paul Dawson of Spink gave him the opportunity to start acquiring some extremely interesting pieces from the Cokayne collection that were appearing on the market at that time. Patrick's enthusiasm for the Series returned and he started to collect again, creating an even larger collection than before, of about 2,500 pieces.
There are many unique pieces including some extremely interesting uniface trial strikings in this second collection. He was also very fortunate to buy the Sawbridgeworth Penny from the Baldwin Basement Collection for half what he was expecting to pay. This piece is in the first catalogue, BB part I, and is probably the star of his collection. This token, one of 5 in existence, holds the record price for any 18th. c. tradesmen's token sold - in the Noble Collection auctioned in Melbourne in July 1988 a similar example sold for A$60,000!
In the ensuing years the collection grew and Patrick has now reached a stage in his life when he has decided to release the collection and accordingly has chosen to give A H Baldwin's the task of handling the auction sale to disperse this magnificent collection of eighteenth century tokens onto the market.
Also of note is a most impressive collection of Devonshire seventeenth century tokens - largest to come to the market for many years. Patrick grew up on a farm in Devon but decided that was not the life for him so left to come and work in London. This, then, is a collection formed of the area which from where he comes, and indeed, at the time of writing, still lives.
He hopes that collectors from around the world will be excited by this offering of tokens from his collection and as he says 'there will be something here for everybody to bid on'.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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United States
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Thanks for the Deane bio, westcoin -- an interesting trajectory indeed!
I empathized totally with this sentence; "By 1984 he had amassed some 1,250 pieces and decided that there was too much competition from other collectors to buy the rarest and best pieces."
My hunch is that most of us have hit a wall at some point in our collecting, which has then caused us to shift gears, change directions, or give in and finally buy Victoria's beautiful Una and the Lion £5 piece after all, mortgage be damned!
In my case, by 1992 it was more like 500 Conders, and I actually figured I'd never have a realistic shot at that vaunted Sawbridgeworth penny, so a few years later I consigned my "best" 350 or so to Bill McKivor and held the rest -- the more humdrum specimens, I confess -- until earlier this year, when I shipped them off to Noonan's along with about 550 silver and copper 19th-century tokens (all 1811-1820). Looking forward to some hammer action starting early next year.
Speaking of Cokayne, a dozen or so of his19th-century tokens (and century-old tickets) have found their way out of the Baldwin's Bargain Basement sales into my collection, with a few that trace back to his monster 1946 Glendening's tokens sale as well. If anyone's interested in HIS story, which I find sorta fascinating, here's the link to a cursory version: https://www.noonans.co.uk/auctions/...3/collector/
For any of our fellow forum members who might be wondering what the rarest, or most expensive, Conder token looks like, here's the specimen sold by Baldwin's in 2014 for £12,000. To quote their publicity release, this token was issued by Robert Orchard, "...a Soho grocer who lived in Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire. He had an enormously deeply engraved die made to strike a coin for himself at Sawbridgeworth. Unfortunately, the fact that the dies were so deeply engraved meant that to make this large token, a great deal of pressure was needed in the strike. Unsurprisingly, the die broke after the fifth or possibly sixth strike - and only five examples are now known."Hertfordshire, Sawbridgeworth, penny 1801, D&H 1.
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough." --- Mario Andretti
Edited by daltonista 09/22/2023 8:02 pm
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United States
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Daltonista - Thanks for the photo of the Sawbridge penny! I know the first one I was aware of came out of the W.J. Noble collection in the Melbourne sale of 1998. Jerry & Sharon Bobbe purchased it, for a then (and likely still) a record price for a Conder Token paying $66,000 for it off an estimate of $20,000 It was Lot #196. (That is Australian Dollars not US or a bit over $40,000 USD at the time). A great review of this famous sale is found in the Conder Token Collectors Journal Page 6 by Allan Davisson. Allan discusses Jerry's purchase of the Sawbridge Penny in it as well. https://archive.org/details/CTCJournal09Apparently the Noble's auction crew had massage therapist for the bidders working through the lots available! Now that's an auction viewing I could get behind. Anyway Allan's review is a good read I thoroughly recommend it. EDIT: Here is the "Patrick Deane" page from the latest catalog, this upcoming sale features many of the Middlesex-London National, Political and Social series tokens offered through Baldwin's Auctions on October 11, 2023.  Things I learned - That this is all his from his 2nd collection, his first being dispersed of in the 1980's, Wow, still takes 3 sales to get through all of his later acquisitions. You can view and download the latest catalog here: https://www.baldwin.co.uk/
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 09/23/2023 12:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Is there a list of UK coin stores that sell conder tokens?
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United Kingdom
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Even a list of ANY UK Coin stores would be very short - there are virtually no physical coin shops left in this country, just afew antique shops that dabble in coins. Most serious coin dealers are now online and/or attending coin fairs. https://rarecoinsandtokens.co.uk/ is one of the online sellers who usually has a few good tokens.
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United States
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As to Cokayne, I'm trying to figure out how his name is pronounced?
Is it Co-Kanye like the singer? or Co-Kayne like the drug?
or maybe something else entirely? -------------------- NumisEd for UK there are the usual suspects, Spinks, Baldwin's, Noonans, and a few smaller independent dealers Merfyn Williams of The Last Druid, Holgate Numismatics, John Newman Coins, on FaceBook there is a group called: "Conders and Token Coinage. Buy, Sell, Trade, Discuss." A lot of UK dealers participate there.
In the USA there is Gary Groll, Brian Herriott of Druid's Cache, Davisson's Ltd., Heritage with occasional Token auctions, Catoctin Coins, Early Cents (Chris McCawley).
Just to name a few. I think I have bought from everyone I listed.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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United Kingdom
945 Posts |
This arrived yesterday as an upgrade to my GB Sixpence collection:  1741 Sixpence with Roses in the angles.
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