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Responding further to NumisEd, I recently did a thorough search of the current list of British Numismatic Trade Association members and came up with similar results. Check here for the member list: http://www.bnta.net.
The pandemic changed everything, but seconding PaddyB, many of those dealers now maintain websites and/or a sturdy ebay presence. Not all of them sell Conders, of course, but their websites will certainly have answers for you on that score.
If you're not limiting your search to gem-level material, NumisEd, I would add a few known Condervendors to westcoin's list. These are folks with whom I've had successful dealings in my non-Conder field: Simmons, Galata, Bermondsey, and Coopers. There are a few others I frequently check on ebay, such as ufomechanix, ancientgalleonic, and rex-coins. Feel free to contact me directly if you'd like their real names and contact info....stuff you might want for making focused inquiries about your topical interests.
Happy hunting, NumisEd!
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"As to Cokayne, I'm trying to figure out how his name is pronounced? Is it Co-Kanye like the singer? or Co-Kayne like the drug? or maybe something else entirely?"
So, once again proving that I've got too much time on my hands, I've accepted westcoin's challenge and humbly present my findings here:
As a first step, it's not a tough call to eliminate a pronunciation that rhymes with Mr, West's, as the exonumismatist's "yne" ending is different enough from the singer's "nye" to render that choice all but impossible, mouthformation-wise.
As for the other two options, for many years I've been internally/mentally pronouncing Cokayne like the drug myself, but a quick foray into historical, literary, and genealogical websites tells us that two of the variants of that name, even back into the 1650's, are Cockayne and Cockin. So my vote is for option #3: something else entirely.
UPDATE: BUT, about a half-hour after I'd posted that, I heard from Merfyn Williams, the above-noted Last Druid, and he attends the meetings and shows and auctions where Francis Cokayne's name is actually and (no doubt) reverently spoken aloud. I'll paste in Merfyn's direct quote: "...Cocaine, like the drug and just as expensive!"
That's good enough for me, and it confirms my own three-decade bias. As a digression, and trying not to get too commercial here, but since he helped us with our pressing pronunciation issue, I thought perhaps I could add that aside from his weekly ebay sales of high-end D&H material, Merfyn has expanded his website to encompass fixed-price as well as auction sales, focusing predominantly on British and "British World" tokens, tickets, and passes, with a concentration within that on Conders, to my eye. So I guess we're seeing some qualified and worthy competition entering the field of collecting long dominated by the auction houses mentioned above by westcoin. (My post above dated 09/10/2023 features one of my recent "quality" acquisitions from The Last Druid's recent major auction.)
So...Cocaine it is. And this is why God invented the Internet.  (...or as "kids these days" like to say, TIL.)
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Until I'm told otherwise I would pronounce it "cok-aine" however names and places are sometimes said entirely differently and you have to be in the know how to say them. A local example "belvoir" is said "beaver"... :)
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Until I'm told otherwise I would pronounce it "cok-aine" however names and places are sometimes said entirely differently and you have to be in the know how to say them. A local example "belvoir" is said "beaver"... :)
Yep, andyg, see my edit above! And about your example, I caught your emoticon, and I do clearly recall my high school French teacher doing quite a bit of fancy dancing to evade all the questions full of innuendo and multiple-entendre that poured forth from his 11th-grade students! 
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I remember in the New Forest as a teenager being asked for directions by some French tourists to "Bow Lew" and being flummoxed until I worked out they meant "Beaulieu", which in England is pronounced "Bew Lee"!
No wonder the English and the French have spent so many centuries fighting each other.
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PaddyB, a similar controversy here in the States is said to explain why we have two Carolinas, North and South. We need only to do a Google search on these two words for the full explanation: "Beaufort pronounced."
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Daltonista <  Thanks for that I'm also going with Merfyn's example too, I was going to email him that very question later today after his auctions end, as he is holding some items from last week for me, until after the close of today's sales. Saves me the time from typing and him from having to answer. Glad that little question got you some time to fulfill with rabbit hole internet searching.  PaddyB  NumisEd - DOH - forgot Galata, the Withers are fantastic and have lots of books as well as a neat old tavern converted to their home-office, (I've not been in person, only seen online). "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Thanks PaddyB, westcoin, and daltonista!
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Yep, andyg, see my edit above! And about your example, I caught your emoticon, and I do clearly recall my high school French teacher doing quite a bit of fancy dancing to evade all the questions full of innuendo and multiple-entendre that poured forth from his 11th-grade students! But there isn't a "cane" in "cok-aine", maybe we say the other word wrong too - "co-cane" I dunno :) |
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This arrived yesterday as an upgrade to my GB Sixpence collection: Outstanding!  |
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One more arrived today! My first KGIII in 4 years   ''Buy the very best, stretch to buy it. It means if you can't afford to buy it, buy it anyway."
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Dollar_1935 - That is a spectacular piece, proof or specimen?
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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NGC PF-66
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I decided to dip into some gold for a change. 1872 Sovereign and 1887 Half Sovereign:   |
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One more arrived today! My first KGIII in 4 years Very nice! |
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