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That proof is absolutely gorgeous, Dollar_1935!
Is it a penny, or the half? (Can't remember how to distinguish them from one another visually.)
Meanwhile, that's the year the Bank of Ireland really started cranking out the silver "emergency coinage," with the 5d and 10d tokens surviving in huge quantities to this day. I've always wondered why it was deemed okay for the coppers to go "regal," while the Bank was approved for issuing the larger denominations. Probably something to do with how broke the Crown was...
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
--- Mario Andretti
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09/25/2023 7:56 pm
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Its the Halfpenny, Ive yet to get a proof penny of KGIII
''Buy the very best, stretch to buy it. It means if you can't afford to buy it, buy it anyway."
-Steven Duckor
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I've yet to get a proof penny of KGIII If you're looking for George III coins, this auction next week T Noonans may well be for you: https://www.noonans.co.uk/auctions/calendar/711/Some very high quality pieces here, but buyers premium is high |
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If you're looking for George III coins, this auction next week T Noonans may well be for you.
Saw that, Kipster, and that cartwheel-style farthing pattern (Lot 652) has been calling my name for a couple of weeks now. Unfortunately, my bank account has developed a serious hearing disability since I picked up seven tokens* between Noonan's and The Last Druid's auctions in the last month! * Including two ex-Francis for those who have been following along for the last few days...
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
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Same, Ive had strong interest in the lots 516 and 560 but the budget is quite low at the moment... most of the coins in this collection seems to have handling marks and/or spots, wich I try to avoid so its a hard pass... Recently got this cute little one from Noonan, with the premium and the shipping to Canada, Ive been severely overpaying but it look nice at least...  ''Buy the very best, stretch to buy it. It means if you can't afford to buy it, buy it anyway."
-Steven Duckor
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09/27/2023 5:34 pm
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United Kingdom
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I was looking at the Richardson auction to potentially add to my proof farthings, but I really find George III quite unattractive coins. They don't do much for me. So may well be dipping into the upcoming Spink Coinex auction as there's a particularly nice Anne pattern in it, but it'll be too rich for my blood I'm sure.
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Also Dollar1935, Rob at RP Coins has a very nice example of a George III proof penny for sale. Not sure if he ships overseas, but may be worth a look.  |
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Recently got this cute little one from them, with the premium and the shipping to Canada, Ive been severely overpaying but it look nice at least... Very nice! |
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Another little beauty picked up at a recent auction. An 1853 over 2 farthing with some fantastic lustre, unlisted in Spink or Peck.   |
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Another little beauty picked up at a recent auction. An 1853 over 2 farthing with some fantastic lustre, unlisted in Spink or Peck. Nice example! |
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I wanted to join an online auction held by a UK auction house but after checking the fees, VAT, and shipping costs, it makes no sense to me any longer. Is it normal to charge HUGE fees for these things? I have noticed this on ebay as well. HUGE shipping costs. Often of the order of $30-$40. |
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NumisEd, most of that cost is just plain unavoidable if you really want the coin or token. I've pretty much adopted the attitude that it's just part of the "price," like sales tax here in the States, since there really aren't local brick-and-mortar coin dealers anymore with inventories of the kinds of material we collect...meaning we're stuck with shopping overseas.
Buyer's premiums seem to be hovering in the 15-25% range nowadays at all the UK and North American auction houses I frequent, and some of them have even instituted a minimum per item. (I'm looking at you and your stinkin' $29-per-item minimum fee, Heritage!)
As for ebay, in my experience more and more UK sellers are enrolling in that @!#$% Pitney-Bowes Global shipping program, which is just another ebay profit center. That doubles the shipping cost over Royal Mail's International signed-for, and once the sellers are enrolled, they can't toggle it on and off for individual low-dollar transactions, or post-sale for US bidders, for whom it adds no value whatsoever. Those are the third of UK sellers who aren't now refusing entirely to do business outside the UK; among those, the ones I've asked have told me they're sick of dealing with complaints about the high cost of international shipping and insurance, losses in the mail, etc.
NumisEd, most of the dealers that westcoin, PaddyB, and I mentioned in our responses to your inquiry a week or two ago will ship at straight postal rates, adding only the appropriate insurance. But yes, the auction houses are generally working with FedEx on an assembly-line basis -- probably discounted, I suspect -- for their higher-valued material and that seems to be primarily for speed, security, insurance, and customs handling. Thus the $25-40 shipping charge often seems justifiable to me, but I sure hate paying it when I've won a single $1000 item that's already had the $200 buyer's premium added to it. And then...
...if you haven't seen it yet, I'm sorry to report here that FedEx is now levying a new $39 flat-rate charge just to eyeball your customs documents! I've been hit with that one four or five times now on international shipments valued at over US $500, I believe, and it's totally nonnegotiable. This has been in effect for the last 15 months or so and I ignored it the first couple of times the paperwork showed up because who's ever encountered a "documents handling fee," right? That's all it is, and I haven't yet figured out how that's justifiable.
Not that it's much consolation, NumisEd, but the good news is that the VAT doesn't apply, broadly speaking, to bidders/buyers outside the EU and the UK?
I guess I've come to grips with all this by differentiating between the "cost of tokens" and the "cost of collecting them." The bottom line, I fear, is that like everything else in life, collecting coins has become more expensive over the last two or three years and anything we have to say about that is reminiscent of the stories about Canute raging against the tides...
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
--- Mario Andretti
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Dollar_1935, I'm lovin' that new thruppence of yours!
The portrait, the toning...it's the whole package!
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough."
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I decided to dip into some gold for a change. 1872 Sovereign and 1887 Half Sovereign: Beautiful sovereign and half, PaddyB! I have some of these laying around the house....but only while 'm dreaming.....And droolworthy examples from Kipster and Dollar_1935 - thanks to all for sharing. I personally steer well clear of auction houses, what you all say of buyers premiums, taxes, postage, handling etc is all too true. My collection is very ecclectic, made of bargains I have come across at LCD's, friends and family. The budget will only allow for that. But the beautiful examples that pop up on CCF more than satisfy my hunger for the eye candy I crave! The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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NumisEd, most of the dealers that westcoin, PaddyB, and I mentioned in our responses to your inquiry a week or two ago will ship at straight postal rates, adding only the appropriate insurance. But yes, the auction houses are generally working with FedEx on an assembly-line basis -- probably discounted. Yes, I did check all the dealers mentioned out. Unfortunately, none of them have the Handel Conder Tokens in stock in the quality I am looking for. |
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