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 Posted 02/07/2005  9:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add collect4fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This may be informative and helpful.

http://www.moderncoinmart.com/pages.php?pageid=11
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01/19/2007 2:32 pm
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 Posted 05/13/2006  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phoenix to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a helpful sight. I never thought about looking at the rim for file marks.
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 Posted 08/22/2006  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gawdalmighty, but that's a slow loading page! Took forever and three browsers, but Safari finally did it. I don't know if it's due to the style sheets or just a small host server.

Nevertheless, he makes some very good points. In particular, he hit the nail on the head of the tendency of people to ignore the rims which will often tell more of a story about a coin's history than the obverse and reverse.

But, his greatest advice is practice, practice, and more practice. Education is the key. Further, grading skills, once developed need constant refreshment; stop grading for a few months and the skill drops down a few grades from lack of use.

Fred
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 Posted 10/13/2006  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kodji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That was a helpful websie Collect4fun.
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 Posted 01/14/2007  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred


Further, grading skills, once developed need constant refreshment; stop grading for a few months and the skill drops down a few grades from lack of use.

Fred



Old thread, but that quote reminds me of my job; They don't let me take a lunch break, they would just have to re-train me if they did.
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 Posted 01/19/2007  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mwhitmoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this link bad, or is it my computer? I get redirected to a commercial coin site whenever I try to pull this up.

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I have redone the link ! It does lead to the same site but to the page where the Grading tips are found.

Thanks for bringing the problem to our attention.

Metalman
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thanks! bookmarked this site.
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Clicking the link in the original post now gets you a "This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota" error. Guess we've overused it.

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Very interesting.hope to get some more tips when available.Enjoyed it.
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That link is back up now. It may have a quota of downloads per month and got turned back on with the change to March.

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 Posted 04/05/2007  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of old posts of mine from another coin forum, in which I provided some basic grading tips:

Part 1

"I have no doubt that much or all of this has been discussed previously and in some cases, in greater detail and in a more interesting fashion. But, I have received a lot of questions about pointers for examining and grading coins, so I'll try to address them in this format.

These are merely my opinions and they may differ from those of others.

I was originally planning on including several pointers in one post. However, I quickly realized that to do so would necessitate a post that would be so long as to guarantee that I would put numerous forum members into a deep and prolonged sleep. So, I have decided to break it up into 2 or three different segments. If this first one does not get me banned from the boards there will be a Part ll and so on. Ok, here we go......

LIGHTING

Different people prefer different types of lighting. I prefer using a small, high intensity "Tensor" lamp. I can sometimes see things (hairlines, etc.) on coins under this type of light that I can't see under a regular lamp with a 75 or 100 watt bulb. Some prefer halogen lamps and others prefer 75 or 100 watt lamps, like you might see at coin shows or auction lot viewings.

There is no right or wrong in this area. I would suggest experimenting with a few different types of light sources to get a feel for what you can see with each and what you are most comfortable with. Lighting can be a problem if it is not intense enough but conversely, if too intense, it can drown out colors that you might otherwise see and prevent you from getting a good look at a coin. Warning - do not look at coins in bright sunlight or under laser beams!

One thing I would stress - it is very important that whatever type of lighting you use, that it be consistent. If you go to a show and buy coins under different lighting conditions than you are used to, you might receive a very unpleasant surprise when you get home and examine your coins!

I would also caution you about lighting at coin auction viewings and shows - if the overhead lights are too bright they can drown out the light source that you are using and you might not be getting a good look at the coins. Be aware of the type of lighting, any time you are examining coins. You would be amazed how at different the same coin can look under different lighting conditions. Think about some of the coin images you see and how two different images of the same coin can look so different and you will get the picture.

MAGNIFICATION

BEFORE you put a glass to a coin, I would urge you to look at the coin for a few seconds without magnification - get a feel for what it looks like - look at the big picture.

Many very expensive coins get graded and bought and sold without the use of magnification. I rarely use a magnifying glass. The exceptions for myself, are for very small coins like Three Cent Silvers and gold Dollars, as well as the cases where I see something like a spot or flaw that I wish to examine more closely. When I do use magnification, it is most often a 5X and occasionally a 10X. I think it is important that when you use a glass, that in most cases, you be able to look at a good portion of the coin and not simply one tiny area in isolation. If you look at just one area you can get a distorted view.

If you use strong enough magnification, I am convinced that just about any classic coin can look bad! And, while you might be proud of yourself for finding 17 flaws on an MS66 coin, you might be doing yourself a big disservice by passing on it, flaws and all.

Whatever magnification you use should allow you to get a good look at the coin but not to lose sight (pun intended) of what the whole coin looks like. And remember, if you have decent eye sight and have been trained to examine a coin properly (more on that later) you wont need a glass in many cases. I PROMISE YOU - SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT HE OR SHE IS DOING CAN SEE THINGS WITH THE NAKED EYE THAT YOU WONT EVEN SEE WITH A GLASS.

I am not against magnifiers but feel that they are sometimes overused and misused. Think about the whole/big picture and learn to overlook the little flaws (unless the coin is supposed to be an MS or PR 70) - oftentimes, they simply don't matter that much on a practical basis.

Please do not take what I have stated above to mean that I think it is ok to buy over graded coins or that imperfections and flaws don't matter with respect to grade. That is not the case at all. However, I see many non-experts engage in "micro-grading" where they focus so much on little, mostly inconsequential imperfections, that they lose perspective and can't see the forest for the trees, as the saying goes."

Part 2

"EXAMINING COINS

Now it's time to discuss examining/viewing coins properly.

First, make sure you don't have your pet dog, cat (or snake) anywhere near where you will be studying your treasures.The same goes for babies and significant others - this is serious business and you need to be able to concentrate!

Lighting has already been discussed but I did neglect to mention that blinds or shades should be drawn so that your light source is not interfered with by any outside light.

If you have coins that are uncertified and completely out of any type of holder, I'd recommend that you have something soft and yielding (a towel, a felt tray, etc.) underneath where you will be holding the coins, in case you drop one (or two). The best/sharpest coin graders are not necessarily the most sure-handed!

I do recommend that you remove uncertified coins from their 2x2's, etc., to get a proper look - even the thinnest layer of plastic can mask flaws and prevent you from getting the view that you should.

Be conscious of how easy it is to put fingerprints on your beauties. I have seen a lot of people start off by holding coins at their edges, but gradually lose concentration and allow their long and or fat fingers to move from the edge to the surface of the coin.

To get the best possible look at a coin it is imperative that you tilt and gradually rotate it so that the light bounces off of it from as many angles as possible. A coin can look completely different, if looked at head-on, vs. from an angle. Light reflects differently and colors and luster can look different, as well. You might see hairlines, cleaning, wipes or other problems from one angle that you wont see from another angle. Look at a coin from all angles, top to bottom, right side up, sideways and upside down, etc. This is a simple concept but you'd be surprised at the number of people who don't do it right.

I know some graders who start off looking at the reverses of coins first just to get a different perspective. I know others who begin, looking at coins sideways instead of up and down, for the same reason. I don't usually do those things but it's probably a good idea to try it once in a while, just for a change in your routine.

When you take your first look at a coin, do so without a glass/magnifier. Eyeball it for a few seconds on each side to get a general first impression - to see how it hits you. Don't worry, initially, about looking for flaws and problems - get a feel for the big picture and the eye-appeal or lack thereof.

I cannot over-emphasize the fact, that in many cases, the first, split second look of a coin is extremely important. It will either grab your attention or not. If it doesn't, it might not be so special and it might not impress the next viewer, either. If it is special looking and grabs your attention right away, it very well might have the same effect on the next person. Many buying decisions regarding many valuable coins are made in a matter of seconds, based on that all-important first impression.

Look at the focal points - the main design elements (the cheek on a Morgan dollar, Ms. Liberty on a Walking Liberty half dollar, the Indian on Indian gold coinage, etc.) If you have questions about the most important areas for grading for a given type of coin, please feel free to ask.

Next, look at the other areas, toward the borders. As you are doing this, you should be slowly and gradually rotating the coin and tilting it back and forth (as mentioned previously) at the same time - try to get the light to reflect off of the surface from as many angles as possible.

Now, for those of you who are dying to do so, it is ok to pick up your magnifiers - go for it, but don't forget about how the coin first struck you, when you looked with your naked eye."




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 Posted 05/10/2007  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinguy1,

Thanks for the excellent guide. I have never read such a lucid description of coin examination.
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You're most welcome and I appreciate your kind words.
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The link didn't work for me either. Thanks anyhow.
Coinguy 1, thanks for the great tips!
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