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Chinese Silver Coin ID Help:crown, Tael, Fantasy?

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 Posted 11/03/2012  11:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Flex68 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, all.
This is , obviously , my first post to the Forum.
My name is Jeff, and I live in Virginia.
Just this afternoon I picked up 11 Chinese coins at an indoor yard sale, and the Seller had no idea what they were... and neither did I, except I recognized they were all silver!

I managed to ID all but one of them via online searches and images.
I ended up with :
(2) Year 3 (1914) Crown size Yuan
(2) Year 10 (1921)Crown size Yuan
(2) 1901-1911 Kwang Tung Province Silver Dragon Dollars
(1) ND 1895-1907 He-Peh Province Silver Dragon Dollar
(1) 1904 Kiang Nan Province Silver Dragon Dollar
(2) 1875-1908 Kwang Tung Province Te Tsung Fantasy Tael
and the final one pictured, that I cannot locate.

Hope someone can offer some guidance regarding what this one is.

Also, any suggestions regarding cleaning?
All are dirty, but unsure if it is a good idea to attempt to clean in any way... perhaps a 100% cotton rag and water? lemon juice?
or just leave them as they are?

Many thanks!

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 Posted 11/04/2012  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NPCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a fantasy piece I have seen come up five years ago. It weighs 18.7 grams with a 1.5 inch diameter and 1/8 inch thickness. The obverse is Sun Yat-sen facing right with "1 yuan" stamped on either side of the bust. I believe the legend would translate to "Dr. Sun Yat-sen, Country's Founder" and the reverse translating to roughly "Memorial to the Country's Founder" (though I cannot confirm those translations at this moment).

I am not sure what the actual composition of the coin would be, but the obverse was likely made using a transfer die from a (K#609) year 16 yuan. I am not sure where the reverse depiction of the mausoleum at Nanjing would have come from.
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 Posted 11/04/2012  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know how you manage to determine it's silver but if they are all magnetic, they cannot be silver.

I am 99.9999% certain that what you have are all counterfeits. Chances with one buying genuine Chinese crown size coins off the streets are worse than winning a lottery ticket.

Feel free to post photos of them but don't be devasted to hear the bad news.
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 Posted 11/04/2012  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, it's a fantasy piece. Definitely not silver. And if it was sold with the rest of your pieces, then all your pieces are of suspect authenticity.

Here's a thread from 2008 with one of these same pieces.
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 Posted 11/04/2012  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flex68 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 11/04/2012  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flex68 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all for your responses; much appreciated. (Thanks to NPCoin for the specific details)

The way I tried to determine whether or not these were silver was, at first, by the weight, feel, and ‘ring' when I flipped them into the air, and comparing these things to what I recalled from my Dad's US silver dollars. Seemed to be reasonably close.
I also did the ice test: the ice melted VERY quickly, much more quickly than on another piece of metal at the same room temp. (I just now checked them with a magnet I found, and all are strongly magnetic, tho, so I wonder what type of metal was used in their mfg?)

The fact that they are most likely ‘fakes' is okay... I only have $15 in all of them. And I have my father's and grandfather's collections... and I know none of their stuff is fake, lol.

I put up pics of a couple more coins for you to view, just to confirm that they are fake, and maybe to let others know how to determine such, while in the field. Maybe save someone else a little money.

Thanks again!
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 Posted 11/05/2012  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are in my particular area of interest here - I have been collecting counterfeit coins for over 50 years and have MANY thousands of them. A good friend (now deceased)once told me he hoped I never died because he did not want to think about my collection being sold. He thought it was that dangerous.

I can absolutely confirm the coins are forgeries (Modern and extremely common). The magnetic ones are often nickel - the "Other" magnetic metal. If so then they do have an intrinsic value. Some are struck in iron usually with minimal relief as you can imagine. These sell in Hong Kong in quantity at far under $1 each and one website promised it could deliver 250,000 copies a month at 10 cents each. I could never figure out why anyone would want a quarter of a million fake dollars but to each his own,

Have fun with them - they do sell for up to $1 each in the US and there are literally dozens of varieties. It is an inexpensive way to accumulate a lot of coins.

If you ever need a free second opinion on the authenticity of nearly any coin just post the photos or contact mne directly.

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