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Today at a local coin show I picked up my first Roman coin. I really dont know much about Roman coins but do like Roman history a lot and when I saw it couldnt say no.

It says its from the Roman Republic around 137 BC, a M Baebius Tampilius Denarius.

The reverse picture isn't the best, couldnt get the camera to focus on it properly with apollos horses still having a good height to them but hopefully theyre good enough.

Id also be curious to know what everyone would say its worth





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From the photo I think I see the reverse off center enough to cut the top of the chariot driver's head. If you bought the coin on the West Coast or Chicago, you probably paid more than if it came from the less pricey areas of the US. We need a better photo to have an opinion worth anything but I'll guess it cost $50-150 considering the factors mentioned.
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It's hard to tell much from your images, but it is attributed as: M Baebius Qf Tampilus Denarius. 137 BC. TAMPIL, head of Roma left, X before / Apollo in quadriga right holding bow and arrow, reins & branch; ROMA below, M BAEBI Q F in ex. Syd 489, Cr236/1c. http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s0113.html

Give me a little time and I will see what value can be placed on it.
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If you look on acsearch.info there is one like yours for sale at 250 Swiss Francs which equals about $265: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=575612

I'm not saying your coin is worth this much. Doug may be right and I would presume he would know better than me. A better image though would really help in determining the approx. value.

BTW welcome to the world of Ancients.
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Thank you for the welcome and the information.

I will try and get some better photos up tomorrow, my camera does better in natural sunlight then trying to do it inside for some reason.

I paid 110 total for the coin so 50-150 would be fine with me even if I over paid a bit I really love the reverse on this coin.

The backside of the head is cut off on the reverse and some of the arrow I believe but it looks like everything is pretty much there from the example you posted. There is more of the Roma on the one I have but its not a complete A.
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Coin prices just are not something we can give simply and accurately. I have seen equal coins at the same show owned by different dealers with prices 4x different. Some dealers go to a show with 100 overpriced coins and sell 10 of them to make a profit. Others will sell 90 out of the 100 because their prices were lower and make a better profit assuming they can buy replacements in time to have stock for the next show. Some dealers attend shows mostly in the hope of buying coins that the public brings in or from other dealers so they really don't care whether they sell or not. I know at least one dealer who buys a table because shows are his hobby but selling too many coins would mess up his taxes. Not everyone is in it to make a living. Be careful not to believe in prices asked as indications of value. Prices of things actually sold might be better but there is no guarantee that someone not knowing better paid the marked price from a dealer who greets customers with, "Hi, I'm J****, I can do better on the prices." Bing's link was to a coin sold by Numismatica Ars Classica whose customer list includes people who don't ask the price. They would get 50% more than a dealer at the San Jose show and double what a dealer in Richmond VA would expect. It is a strange market.

I really suggest that, if you intend to participate in this or any online group, you work on coin photo skills. I good image makes a good answer much, much more likely.
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Yours looks like a very nice example, and I would bet the value would be at the upper end of the range Doug provided. You done good! I love these Republic coins even though I only own a few. Many of the Republic coins seem to garner higher prices than many of the Imperial Roman coins.
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I assume you are using a cell phone. One trick is to hold a small magnifier over the cell camera lens to make it focus closer. Of course, a proper camera does better but either of the photos below would allow someone here to ID the coin.

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This coin came from the show group I'll not need to upload on another thread. I wondered how bad the photo would be from a free cell phone (not Smart) and the answer was pretty bad.
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Many of the Republic coins seem to garner higher prices than many of the Imperial Roman coins.


From a historical standpoint their Imperial period is the most interesting to me, but the idea of getting a coin with a BC date I couldnt pass up. So far though I'm loving the Republic coins from what I saw today and obviously what I got.

I was actually hoping to find a Mark Antony Legionary Denarius (I think is the right name), I love the design on that one and would say its my favorite from what I've seen in person or online


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I am, it hates coins inside for some reason. It was already dark out though so didnt really have a choice other than to wait till tomorrow and waiting isn't my strong suit. If its not raining tomorrow ill try and get some better pics.
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I was actually hoping to find a Mark Antony Legionary Denarius (I think is the right name)


That is correct, and many people try to collect the entire series which are many. These denarii were debased by Mark Anthony and thus people didn't keep them for long. They saw a lot of circulation and so are hard to find in good shape. But even in poor condition, they seem to sell for premium prices. Once in a while you can find one for sale in good condition for under $100. When you are searching, make sure you find coins with a legible Legion number. I own several of these, but this one is my best and I've shown it here many times.

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Congrats on your first ancient coin ... uh-oh, now you've gone and done it!! (you've crossed over to the dark-side!!)

... welcome ...


Yah, I love the Roman Republic coins as well ... I own a handful of 'em (good choice)

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Beautiful coin, congrats on finding that one. I absolutely love that coin. I would love to find one with detail like that. I was unaware theres an entire series, is it a series with different designs or just different legion numbers?

Ive seen a few online but the decent ones seemed to always be close to a thousand which I was told a while back is high for those. I got lucky today with the dealer at the show who was real nice about prices, he gave me some good deals on some more modern capped bust and Seated Liberty coins so I figured he wasnt going to take me for a ride on the Beabius coin. He had a larger hadrian coin too which I really liked that was about the size of a large cent but he said he was keeping that one for his collection. I didnt catch the name of it, once he said he was keeping it I didnt want to look into it to much or Id be sad to leave without it.

There was 1 guy who was selling ancient coins and seemed to have a good selection, but everything was 1500 or higher and I wont even consider spending anywhere close to that without doing a lot of research on it first.
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and I wont even consider spending anywhere close to that without doing a lot of research on it first.


Smart. Ancient coin collecting is much different from modern coin collecting. One of the biggest problems are fakes, and believe me when I tell you there are a lot out there and they can fool even a seasoned collector. So researching prior to buying is just being smart. I would also suggest you post potential purchases here to ask for opinions and validation. Of course you can't do that when you are at a show. But buying from reputable dealers is a good way to better your chances of not buying a fake.

Take a look on Vcoins. The prices are somewhat higher than ebay, but you are also buying the guarantee and peace of mind along with the coin. And many of the dealers will accept reasonable offers. But if you decide to go to ebay, post here before you buy. Also check out Forum's fake coin reports and forgery network. If you need the web pages, just ask.

Thanks for the compliment on my coin. I've had it for many years. I forget exactly how many Legionary Denarii there are, but I think it is around 23 legions plus the Cohort Speculatores and Cohort Praetorian. And on top of that there are the naval denarii Mark Anthony issued. One could make an entire collection just attempting to put all of these together. That was a fascinating and a transitional period of history.
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Congrats on your first ancient coin ... uh-oh, now you've gone and done it!! (you've crossed over to the dark-side!!)


Lol you got that right. I cant even count the number of sets that have come from me saying I just want 1


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That and pricing are my biggest concerns. I know theres not set prices for coins but you can usually get ballpark figures for moderns if there an ancient equivalent of a site like numismeadia with approximate values?

Im fairly certain ancient collectors also hate TPGs since you can handle ancients and not have to worry like with moderns, but as far as theyre concerned are they at least accurate with determining authenticity? I wont buy raw coins on ebay over a certain value because of all the fakes but certified ancients would make me more comfortable using ebay.


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Thanks for the compliment on my coin. I've had it for many years. I forget exactly how many Legionary Denarii there are, but I think it is around 23 legions plus the Cohort Speculatores and Cohort Praetorian. And on top of that there are the naval denarii Mark Anthony issued.


I wouldnt let that baby go either. Is there any particular history that you know of behind that chop mark on the reverse, at least I think thats a chop mark? I think you just sold me on that series, Praetorian I like a lot and my father was navy for a naval denarii will be a must if possible.

Thanks for all the information and the help and the welcomes from everyone
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basebal21......... to the dark side...i stared collecting Ancients Jan. of this year, I have nearly 300 coins, like you I still collect modern coins and have to keep my sets up to date every year..
Fun to learn something new, good luck and watch out for stevex6...
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Eng thank you for the welcome. I have a feeling ill end up with way more than I thought in about a years time as well. I really need to start finishing some sets before starting new ones

Learning new things will definitely be happening here. I've started ancients for about 8 hours and Bing already has sold me on a set, I dont see this ending well
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