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 Posted 11/16/2012  12:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this coin in a batch of uncleaned Romain's over 5 years ago, now that I'm retired and resuming my love of ancients, I could use some help. I have found similar coins on wild-winds,books and various other resources but nothing like this. Any help would be very much appreciated. Looks to be king or emperor accepting gift. I did not want to over clean this coin at the time. All of your professional opinions would be great!
Thank you,James

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 Posted 11/16/2012  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome here focusxl. It's good to have new blood.

I cannot tell much from the images. The first image looks like a "gamma" at 6 o'clock, but beyond that I can't tell anything. The second image makes me think it is Byzantine as I can see "ANNO" running down the left side and "CO?" at the bottom probably referring to Constantinople. There is also what appears to be a cross at the top. All make me think Byzantine, but I can provide nothing further.

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 Posted 11/16/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


..focusxl...

I ... with jw, the cross at the top would make it a Byzantine coin, not one that comes to mind......hope to see more of your unclean batch....
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 Posted 11/16/2012  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Bing, Picture does not do justice, COM on bottom
and your right on the money ANNO on side. Thank you for your expert observation. I have a feeling I'll be researching this one for a while, it's intriguing. I have been going over past posts, very informative and helpful.
Thank you again, James
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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This is an interesting coin in that it has been overstruck on another coin and that it has no obverse. I collect Byzantine coins and have not run across anything like this before. I have no idea why it would have two reverses other than it being an error.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you also Eng5858, I have a few more that baffle me, but the more research I do it seems that the attribution techniques are coming back to me. I hope in time I can help others and post some of my collection. This forum is great. Thanks again,James
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you echizento. Yes I agree, intriguing is it not. This is the first forum I've joined and it is great. Give me awhile and I will contribute more. I get so wrapped up in my coins and reading posts, sleep is going to be as rare as some of the coins I've seen. Thank you again, James
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don;t know a lot about this type of coinage....it might be an error but I was thinking it might also be a barbie (barbarian imitation)?
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I think the confusing feature here is that the flan was cut down between the two strikes. I did not take the time to research completely but I think this may be a Heraclius and Her. Constantine M reverse Constantinople coin on the remains (3/4?) of a Focas obverse (the cross was on his crown) struck by workshop three (mint off flan). Note there is a M from the undertype above the gamma. These things can be a mess. You just have to get lucky to get enough bits of detail to allow full ID. My page:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...ac70byz.html
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This is just my opinion, but this is the best discussion forum on the web. I'm a member of two others, but rarely post on them. One seems to have all the best experts including a few that hang out here, but the discussions take on too serious a note for my liking. The other seems to discuss many things more than just the numismatics for which I joined. Here we have a lot of friendly people willing to admit we are not experts, but enjoy discussing and showing off our coins. For me, at least, this is a place where others who are like me hang out that enjoy Ancients. I have no one in my family or circle of friends who are remotely interested, although they politely look when I show them and nod their heads like they understand my addiction to them. I can imagine many roll their eyes behind my back when I start talking about my collection. But here, there are others who enjoy these historical beauties as much or even more than me. So, once again, welcome. And feel free to show off all your coins. No one here will roll their eyes behind your back.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, looking forward to seeing your coins and getting your input.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your warm welcomes, you have not heard the last of me. You guys and maybe gals are great!
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 Posted 11/16/2012  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you dougsmit, I have checked out your site through FORVM link
You have a great site and some excellent coins. Thank you again,James
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great forum, nice to have other peope to enjoy coins with.
most of my family and friends just smile and nod when I pull out a coins...so I gave that up.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add focusxl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with chrsmat71, pull out some Morgans or Standing liberty's people are interested. When you show them ancients, then nothing, unless you can afford gold.
Otherwise, no interest, until they learn what these coins can be worth.
Like everyone who collects something, It is all about the learning, fascination and not necessarily the
monetary value of what you collect. Thank you all for making me realize this again. Of course knowing when to buy and sell are also a big plus. Thank you
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