1925-S 1c Clashed Die

I don't think the reverse is considered a die clash it's referred to as "ghosting" or die wear https://goccf.com/t/80533
John1

Dies get changed all the time and they usually only change one of the two dies. I am familiar with the web site. Neff and Diamond are members here.
John1

True, they can change 1 side of the die but personally I haven't seen a single sided die clash variety yet, at least not with wheat cents. I wasn't concerned about that part of what he said though. The thing he said that concerned me is "I don't think the reverse is considered a die clash it's referred to as "ghosting" or die wear". Die clashes 100% of the time will occur on the reverse (and obverse), that is until they change the reverse die.... I went to the thread you linked and my coin is completely different than the one in that thread. The "ghosting" that guy is seeing is done by tilting the coin at an extreme angle so they light catches weird, I have handfuls of shiny pennies that do that. This isn't the case, this picture is from straight above and doesn't catch the "glare/ghosting". Not to mention there's several thing's that match up almost identical with the 1925-S Die Clash Variety and it's 6% tilt.

You might be confused because not many Wheat cent die clashes show as much of an outline of Abe's head/bust as the 1925-S. Most just show minor clashes of Abe's bust/head going from the "C" in "CENT" to the "I" of "UNITED" & another going from the "E" in "ONE" to the "N" in "CENT".

Here's the pictures straight from MadDieClashes of the 1925-S 1C Clashed Die:




As you can see in this picture, the placement of the bust and head is identical to my coin. Abe's bust begins to the right and slightly above the left wheat ear. It continues to the bottom of the "C" in "CENT" where it starts it's curve to the head. It continues and crosses through the center of "N" in "UNITED" and then again through the center of "O" in "OF". My die clash actually looks more clear than the example, possibly mine was struck before the die was abbraded a ton. Mine has a clear "5" in the right wheat ear, and part of the "L" of "LIBERTY" in the rim. I can also see part of the "W" of "WE" in the bottom of the coin but it's hard to capture it clearly in an image. Also, to further justify that my coin IS a Die Clash, if you look at the points where the dies clash, my coins is abraded in all of the clashed places which is a definite warning sign that this was a Clashed Die.

I posted one the other day with a clash of lincoln's collar in one of the bays in the memorial.

I posted one the other day with a clash of lincoln's collar in one of the bays in the memorial.

Biokemis6, if you go to the thread where the guy asked me to go where there was "Ghosting", there wasn't anything technical about what was said. The OP and replies to that thread weren't saying it was a real ghost or phenomenon, they were pretty much saying "You're crazy, there's nothing there, you're seeing ghosts" but in a more polite way. One even said he see's ghosts all the time, but after he eats "bad burritos"... Also, the "ghosting" in that thread he linked is just the reflection whereas this isn't so I don't see why anyone would say they're similar if they're 2 completely different things. I don't know why were talking about die clashes on the reverse, they WILL happen 100% of the time due to the nature of how Clashed Dies happen. Yes, they CAN be changed, but they will ALWAYS hit both sides when the Die Clash originally happened.... The die's not going to strike itself.

I'm 100% positive this coin is a Clashed Die, there's no way that 10 things match up perfectly with other 1925-S Clashed Dies, even the rotation is perfect. All of the abrasion is in the perfect spots as well. I guess I'll have to wait for someone with more knowledge about this specific piece.

EDITED: This post is completely wrong, I now know that. I was confused and basing what a Wheat cent ghost looked like from an inaccurate thread that wasn't a ghosted coin. I'll keep this post here because I don't like deleting things that are said.

-TheCentMan


To further prove my point this isn't Die Deterioration I made this nice image for those of you who don't like to read. It's REALLLLLLLY easy to tell the difference between the 2. With Die Deterioration, the 2 images are lined up even in rotation whereas with Die Clashes the images are flipped 180 degrees.