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Yet Another Eastern Sep. Sev.

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Yet more Sept. Sev. I am afraid...

The most common obverse legend for the mint we call Emesa for Septimius Severus is "IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS II". This is a prolific issue with many dies. I have been acquiring examples of an odd sub-series of dies that have an obverse legend where various elements of this legend have been shortened e.g. CA for CAE, SE for SEP, PER for PERT etc.
This isn't just a single obverse die but there are a few of them (about 5)and we really can't explain the rationale behind them. I obtain them whenever I see them / can afford them.

This example of what I am talking about has just arrived...

Septimius Severus denarius
Obv:â€"IMP CA L SE SEV PER AVG COS II, laureate head right
Rev:â€" MART-I V-ICTORI, Mars advancing right carrying spear and trophy.
Minted in Emesa. A.D. 194 â€" A.D. 195
Reference:â€" cf. BMCRE 378 note. RIC 406b. RSC 324e. (all citing Cohen 324 - Kholl)

Yet-Another-Eastern-Sep.-Sev.

Martin
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Between you and Doug, the two of you should be the experts on Septimius Severus. Now I will have to keep my eyes open for some of these variant legends. I just checked my only Sep Severus from Emesa, but the legend seems to be complete, but it is very worn.
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Geeze, Martin, one would guess with 400 or so of these coins, you would be a leading expert in the field of SS coins. I think we are in find company gentlemen. Kudos to you and your vast collection. How long have you been collecting ancients..and these coins?
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I am but a relative beginner with these coins there are a few out there in whose shadow I am not worthy to stand. Curtis Clay is likely the most knowledgeable person in the world on Severans, his first Severan collection was donated to the British Museum and he is working on another. Barry Murphy used to have a great collection and still has a wealth of knowledge which he uses to pick out rarities that others miss. Doug has been collecting these far longer than I and has a fantastic collection.

I have been coin collecting for 35+ years but only moved into ancients about a decade ago. I stumbled into Sept. Sev. in 2003. Oddly enough I bought another of these odd legends coins in 2003 from a dealer selling it as a fake, which it wasn't, and that was my hook into these Eastern mints. That was the best $5 (including shipping from the US to the UK) that I ever spent.
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Martin
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I've been toying with the idea of specializing in one emperor. Septimius is at the top of the list, but than I see a coin that I have so I go off that idea. This is a very nice coin, congrats on your new addition.
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I quess we could call you Super Sept... Wow nice collection..the coin is awesome too...
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About 15 years ago there was a dealer who regularly listed Eastern Severus coins on his unillustrated lists as unofficial or questionable. Unfortunately he since learned the difference so I don't get any more really cheap denarii.
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Interesting....very interesting...
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Here is that aforementioned coin from 2003. I now have 3 different reverse types with this obverse die and I know Doug has yet another. This one has AG for AVG too.

Septimius Severus denarius
Obv:â€" IMP CA L SE SEV PER AG COS II, Laureate head right
Rev:â€" FORT REDVC, Fortuna standing left, holding long scepter & cornucopia
Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194
References:â€" RIC -. BMCRE -. RSC -.

Yet-Another-Eastern-Sep.-Sev.

Martin
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