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Shield Nickel 90 Degree Rotation?!?

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While looking at an 1867 Shield nickel I bought at a coin show, I noticed something I'd never seen on a coin before:
The reverse is rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. Has anyone ever encountered a Shield nickel like this? Is it a fake, a rarity, or an error? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
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Rotated dies are fairly common with some early coin series like Half Cents, large cents, and 2-cent pieces. I don't know whether they are particularly unusual for Shield nickels but they are definitely collectible errors. I expect an interested collector would pay a premium for your coin.

Got pictures? You can photograph the coin on its edge in front of a mirror to display the rotation.
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Unable to upload pictures right now, but good idea, Jaobler! I'll try to upload them tomorrow.
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I have posted pictures of my Shield nickel which has a 180 degree shift. Plus Longacre doubling on the date and from what I gather, it isn't worth a lot. It's still a cool looking piece.

Here is the old post.

https://goccf.com/t/114317&SearchTe...d,nickel,180
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Another good way to see the rotation of your nickel is put it into a carboard 2x2 with the obverse oriented as it would be normally and then take pictures of both sides. The rotation will be quite obvious as to direction and degree of rotation.

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That is the best way or you can hold it up to a mirror or draw a straight line across the 2x2 from left to right and go off that either way will work
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Does anyone know about how much they are worth?
Here's a picture of it


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nice rotated coin!
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Does anyone know about how much rotated coins are going for?
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Very nice! Can you post front and back close ups of the coin? That would help with grading. It should command a premium over a non-rotated die.
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I haven't seen too many Shield nickels with dies rotated like that. There should be some collector interest in that and it would give it some premium. That's the good news. The bad news is that the no rays 1867 is very common, and yours looks poorly cleaned and somewhat unattractive. I still would need to see a better pic of the obverse and reverse, but with what I am going on, I think you may have a nickel worth less than $10 without the rotation and about $10 with it.
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It hasn't been cleaned, but yes, it is not the most attractive coin. I'll try to get some better pics uploaded soon.
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I know you're the one with the coin in hand and I'm looking at a picture of somebody holding something in their hand, but I do think the coin has likely been cleaned. I am not positive with these pictures alone, but I've dealt with many Shield nickels and this one looks like an old cleaning to me.

Your finger is also touching a face of the coin and not the edge. This "mis-step" makes me question how long you've been dealing with collector coins and thus, if you would necessarily know a cleaning if there was one. No offense, I'm just saying.

I hope you could post other pictures.
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Not as common on Shield nickels but very common on the 2 centers, especially the 1864.
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Not as common on Shield nickels but very common on the 2 centers, especially the 1864.


...I did already ask about the holed rotated 2c, didn't I?

(Basically, a coin shop I sometimes go to had on offer an 1864 2-cent piece with about 50 degrees rotation (my original August post said 30, but I rechecked when I visited them again in October and it was closer to 50) but with an obvious repaired hole above the motto; and they want $25 for it. So the question is: should I finally buy it if it's still there when I return again?)
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should I finally buy it if it's still there when I return again?

I wouldn't. A hole in a common coin like an 1864 2-cent destroys most of it's collector value and the rotation doesn't compensate much. If you want a rotated example of this coin it won't be that hard to find one without problems at a reasonable price, especially if you visit a large coin show. Just be patient!
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