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1880 S/ DMPL Rainbow Toned

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Hello, I just picked this coin up today and I was told told that it was a DMPL and it is rainbow toned. Its a nice coin. It was graded by the dealer as a MS 63, I wouldn't disagree. But I was wondering if you could possibly help verify the DMPL. I am thinking about getting it graded by PCGS. Thanks. Sorry the pics are not very good.

1880-S/-DMPL-Rainbow-Toned

1880-S/-DMPL-Rainbow-Toned
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 Posted 11/17/2012  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add benchfreak221 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some better pics.

1880-S/-DMPL-Rainbow-Toned

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 Posted 11/17/2012  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen other posters put the coin next to an object and the coin acts like a mirror reflecting the object. I am too much of a novice with Morgans to make that determination with your pictures (but others might be able to).

Very nice coin!
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 Posted 11/17/2012  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its possible it has DMPL fields but without something reflecting in the mirrors its really hard to tell. I have better shots of DMPL coins with my P&S camera because you can usually see the lens or the camera itself in the reflection. There are allot of 1880-S,1881-S DMPL coins out there so it is very possible this is one of them. The one I put in my 7070 album was a MS-64 DMPL of this same date graded by ANACS
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 Posted 11/17/2012  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Morgan! It appears to be all of MS63 from the photos. AS far as the DMPL designation, it's a definitive test of reflectivity of print at a distance of 4" I think. Check this out courtesy of westcoin in a prior post http://coins.about.com/od/uscoins/f..._morgans.htm
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Hard to tell if it is DMPL from your photos. You might want to remove it from the 2 x 2 and take a few more shots to get a better opinion. It's probably still worth getting slabbed.
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DMPL? You're going to want to be able to read standard newsprint clearly, reflected in the fields of the coin, at a bare minimum of 6" away. DMPL is not easy. The toning won't affect things, because there's enough clean field left on both faces to make the experiment possible. If you haven't seen a true DMPL Morgan, you'll be staggered by what you see. You don't dare look at a light bulb reflected in one, much less the sun. They're literally perfect mirrors, quite clear enough to shave in.

And both fields must demonstrate this reflectivity for it to get either PL or DMPL.

Keep in mind, 1880-S isn't an uncommon date with PL/DMPL surfaces. This coin's auction value won't reach $300 in MS63 DMPL.
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 Posted 11/17/2012  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add benchfreak221 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thanks for the responses. Should I get it slabbed?
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I wanted to add that if all you posted were the first pictures I would have said the Reverse may be DMPL but it didn't look like the Obverse had DMPL fields. The second pictures show that the Obverse may also have those fields but it could just be the lighting that makes it look that way. A reflection is needed to be able to judge how proof like the fields are if at all
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 Posted 11/17/2012  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollSeeker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Morgans are generally easy enough to grade without a slab. With the chatter on the cheek, I wouldn't bother slabbing, but it's your choice
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I am not sure if it would qualify for DMPL. Both sides have to be DMPL and while the reverse might be DMPL, the obverse might not. What I am a bit concerned about is the toning. Toning tends to have a natural progression from yellow to magenta to blue and I am not quite seen that band of magenta in between the yellow and blue. Also the toning seems to flow over the hair and lettering without care for elevation. What is often seen on naturally toned coins is lower elevations have a different color than on higher elevations even when they are right next to one another. While the lack of it is not an automatic sign of AT, the presence of breakaway toning would confirm it is naturally toned which I don't see on this coin. I would not be too surprised if a TPG decided to call the toning questionable. MS-63 looks like it could be a reasonable grade but I am not sure from the pictures. I wished I could have been a bit more upbeat on this coin.
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 Posted 11/17/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add benchfreak221 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does artificial toning hurt the value of the coin?
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It would, but I don't see them calling your coin AT.
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 Posted 11/17/2012  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add benchfreak221 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. I am still learning as I go, but I paid $90 for the coin. How did I do?
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I would be interested in hearing why a they would not call it questionable toning. I can't say with 100% certainty if it is AT or not but my previous post shows where I lean. I have been wrong before and could be with this coin. If you do submit, I wish you the best.
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