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Strange 1838 Large Cent- Error? PMD? Help!

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United States
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 Posted 11/17/2012  11:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hoopla to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi Folks--

I am really new to this and need help figuring out what is going on with this coin! I can't understand what all the cracks are... the left side stars and United States are really lightly punched... and there is also a blob and raised ridge above the hair that looks like ghost hair, possibly a ghost star... and another depression near the front of the coronet that has sunken part of another star.
ANY HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED!



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Edited by hoopla
11/18/2012 9:31 pm
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United States
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 Posted 11/18/2012  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hoopla,
I'm also trying to learn about Large Cents. You describe your questions well but, a larger picture would help. There are a lot of pro's here that know Large Cents.
https://goccf.com/t/121705
Hang in there and you should get a response.
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United States
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 Posted 11/18/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hoopla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi!
Thanks for the welcome! I managed to post a few larger pics... one is upside down... sorry! I sure hope someone can figure out what the possible error is with this coin because it's driving me crazy!! LOL.
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United States
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 Posted 11/19/2012  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The better pics (thanks!) suggest a die break on the upper obverse, with "sinking" of the portion of the die to one side. The problem is, the die varieties of 1838 large cents are known in such detail that a die break pattern like this should be evident in other examples, and I haven't been able to find any. Will have to defer to a true Early American Copper die variety expert.
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United States
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 Posted 11/19/2012  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add algol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i think its just a planchet/lamination issue and not a die crack or break that can be attributed...
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 Posted 11/19/2012  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. Don't think it looks like PMD.
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 Posted 11/19/2012  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no authority but it does look like a lamination issue. I think condition of the coin would drag down a premium assuming there would be a premium to begin with. I wish I could be of more help.
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United States
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 Posted 11/19/2012  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hoopla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Thanks folks for the input. The whole coin has tiny cracks all over it... is this again a lamination issue? any ideas about how faint the strike is on the United states? You'll have to bear with me-- I've yet to learn how to speak "coin". LOL
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United States
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 Posted 11/19/2012  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hoopla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yeah... please elaborate on condition of coin -- premium-- and value? I've actually gotten quite attached to it... but good to know if it's value is more than sentimental:-)
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United States
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 Posted 12/30/2012  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roderick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin appears to me to suffer from lamination issues, hard wear, on the reverse abusive scratching, overall improper cleaning and finally corrosion from being buried in the ground.

If you like the coin add it to your collection. As for me, I have a few rough large cents that I am planning to scatter along the beach and give the metal detector people a thrill.
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United States
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 Posted 12/31/2012  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think Roderick has nailed it.
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Canada
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 Posted 12/31/2012  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OddCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 'United States of America' is not lightly punched, it's worn. I would certainly keep that coin, but then again I keep any coins... :)
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 Posted 12/31/2012  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hoopla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the input and help figuring out this coin... LOL... it's grown on me...
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