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1873 Indian Cent Die Gouge Or MPD?

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 Posted 12/23/2012  3:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add roach to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just got this 1873 Indian cent. Not sure if it is just a die gouge on the neck , but it looks enough like a number or digit that I figure I better post it to see what others thought. Couldn't find any mention of a mis-placed date on the neck anywhere, so probably just a die gouge.

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 Posted 12/23/2012  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's interesting! I'm travelling now and don't have my Snow books to check, but I do remember an MPD in this location, but unsure what year(s).
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 Posted 12/23/2012  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert and I gather that there are some varieties not on this list, but I don't see a MPD for that coin on PCGS set registry list http://www.fly-inclub.org/LL20-1%20...registry.pdf
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 Posted 12/23/2012  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well...that list only has the major varieties--quite a few others exist for every year.
Wish I had my books here--perhaps somebody can help? That's an interesting spot for a die gouge.
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 Posted 12/23/2012  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think I need to get that book... I'm hooked on the Indians. Must. Get. Book. Hope there's a Kindle version.
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 Posted 12/24/2012  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was an MPD 1873 IHC listed on E-bay about 2 weeks ago:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1873-OPEN-3...047675.l2557
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i think that has a snow #, i'll check when the family leaves.
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Yup, 1873 open 3, Snow-7.
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 Posted 12/25/2012  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's an MPD? Excellent--congrats!
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Awesome! Thanks for all the help. I knew it looked too much like a numeral to be a die chip. I can't find any info on it as far as rarity etc. NGC nor ANACS have any listed in their records and Heritage doesn't show any sales.
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It is unclear to which coin Robbudo was referring, the OP coin, or the ebay coin. So we don't know which coin is the Snow-7, and if it does refer to the OP coin, he did not say that it was a MPD.
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I was referring to the OP coin. It is a Snow 7 (I don't acknowledge different coins posted in within a thread). Rick Snow says these are rare, but I believe otherwise - I find 1 of these unattributed Snow-7's on ebay every month or two.
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So snow 7 it is. But I can't seem to find a single one of these listed anywhere or any sales. So the million dollar question is ....Whats it worth if I sell it? It is a pretty extreme and noticeable error and apparently not many around. I would think it would carry a decent premium. PS I know someone is going to say " a penny" LOL! So I beat you to it!
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OK now we know the Snow 7 is the OP coin. Nest question for those of us who don't know Snow varieties is "Is the Snow 7 a MPD variety or a die gouge?"
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12/31/2012 08:28 am
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Snow officially lists this as an MPD. However, he says "this is an unusual die variety. It was long known, but not listed because it was unknown what caused the prominent bulge on the neck. It is still a mystery, but that is what makes it exciting for collectors." "Possibly from a the upper right corner of a 7 digit punch laying sideways" (typo included in original text). Snow gives it two stars, meaning, "Worthy of a significant premium, probably between 2X and 3X". However,I've found this variety doesn't get much traction. Maybe in a higher grade like this one, if deemed problem free (we haven't seen a pic of the reverse yet!), you could get some interest. If I was looking to sell this, I'd see what The Penny Lady could do (you can Google her).
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12/31/2012 10:46 am
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Are you going to ebay it ?
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