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Bank Of Canada 1912-14 Gold Coin Special RCM Release

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 Posted 03/09/2013  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received 2/3 of the coins today, funny how the November order is still waiting, while Feb arrived...

Overall I am pretty happy with both coins. The pictures seem to make the overall quality look worse than when they are actually in hand and the 1912 looks better than the 1914. The 1914 seems to have more apparent bag marks at certain angles.

Thanks to those who gave the heads up on new availability in February, was very happy to pick these two up at issue price.

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 Posted 03/09/2013  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$10 1914 Might be the new low Mintage coin, or at least 2nd lowest.

I was watching the video of Sandy Campbell discussing his involvement with the release of coins. At one point he mentioned that 85-90% of the 1914 $10 gold coin was at the mint. That would mean of the 140,068, 119,000-126,000 were never released. With the Mint selling 14,949, that leaves a remaining mintage of between 29,000-36,000. Unfortunately (in terms of value, not collectability), a minimum of 14,949 will be MS.

Which leaves roughly 95,000 coins split among the remaining years/denominations to be melted. If some of $5 1914's were melted, it will remain the lowest mintage.

I think that the $5 1914 will still remain the most valuable of the $5, even with this release. Based on PCGS population report and this release, the 1912 and 1914 will have a similar number MS graded coins, but the 1912 mintage is 5x larger, even if half of the 95,000 coins to be melted were 1912 $5, it will still be 4x larger. Hopefully the RCM will release the actual count of melted coins.

For $10 coins, I think the 1914 will drop significantly in value, as the mint held 85-90% of supply and will be release 15,000 MS coins, but the new mintage level should give it some price support.

Overall, I think it will be interesting to see how this release impacts the interest in this series of coins. Personally, it has allowed me to acquire a couple coins at grades that I would not have purchased and with the increase in supply, hopefully the others will be acquired more easily or at least at affordable prices.

Edit: Corrected Sandy's last name
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03/09/2013 5:51 pm
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 Posted 03/09/2013  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinsplus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty good observation there purelywasted.

The following is Sandy Campbell's comment from another coin forum:

Re: mint release of 5 and 10 dollar gold coin hoard

"I have seen the coins....very very nice....fasten your seat belts.76 bags of circs and 374 bags of untouched coins that show very little abuse....only the best are being released and rest melted 217,000 to the pot to make the rest playable in our small market that is now getting worldwide attention.......Coins were moved only twice in 100 years...RCM to B of C in 1935 and back to mint in 2011. This group of coins is what the doctor ordered for our marketplace...."

Sandy Campbell, 12/3/2012

He then responded with another comment:


Re: mint release of 5 and 10 dollar gold coin hoard

"There has never been a real gold market in Canada mostly because there was no supply...now there is supply...prices on high end gold will get soundly established because all chips are on the table....no over hang of this hoard and finite numbers of available coins.The next 5 years will be exciting for the chasers of the best and dealers and collectors can all partake for fun and profit."

Sandy Campbell, 12/4/2012

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03/09/2013 5:46 pm
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 Posted 03/09/2013  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moejaber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ purelywasted and coinplus

Thank you for the info! very informative!
i certainly am very happy with the 1914 I received and I cant wait for the rest to come in!
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 Posted 03/09/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just visited J&M coins, here in Vancouver. He had over 10 of the 1914 $5 HS, so much for the shortage, he had about 10 PS $10's in 1913 & 14. 1 Premium Select SET, and a box of HS $10's. 1912 $10 was extremely nice from this set. He's saving all of his 1912 HS $10's for sets he's going to assemble and sell.
He was very patient with us, and it was nice to see so many coins at once.
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 Posted 03/09/2013  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinsplus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Tripoli: Thanks for the info about J&M. Was the $10 1912 from the $12,000 Premium Set? Is Joe selling the Premium Set for $12,000? And is he selling the other premium and/or hand-select coins a mint issue price (my guess highly unlikely).

Thanks in advance!
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 Posted 03/09/2013  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin_games to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The premium sets are very nice, comes in a big wooden box and includes the mint bag and tag, but just a little out of my price range ;)
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 Posted 03/09/2013  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He is asking $15,000 for the premium set....he was asking a premium for certain coins if you cherry picked his selection, which I can totally respect. The 1912 $10 from the premium set was really nice. All his 1912 $10 HS's, he's keeping to sell as part of sets.
Yes, the set comes with an extremely attractive box, and what is cool is the original bag and tag.
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 Posted 03/10/2013  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So how much is J&M charging for a 1914 $5 HS coin? You mentioned a premium for certain coins.
What is the lowest and the highest?
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 Posted 03/10/2013  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jsinger21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm curious myself to see what they are charging. Definitely they aren't charging issue prices.
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 Posted 03/10/2013  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Panda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm curious myself to see what they are charging. Definitely they aren't charging issue prices.


maybe they are not selling 1914 $5, ONLY BUYING
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 Posted 03/10/2013  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So how much is J&M charging for a 1914 $5 HS coin? You mentioned a premium for certain coins.
What is the lowest and the highest?


I don't want to mention any numbers, but if you chose one coin at random, that was one price, if you cherry picked his selection, he was asking a premium. YMMV with J&M, so I don't want to mention any prices.
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 Posted 03/10/2013  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jsinger21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the random price then?
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 Posted 03/10/2013  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
received 1913/14 $10.00 coins today... 4 in total.....reverses are MS 65-66 pretty much perfect..obverses are typically small baggy MS63 ....I would grade them overall MS 64 because the reverses are so nice and the lustre is primo

if I send them to PCGS will they get a 63 or 64?

any thoughts?

with Morgans, there are plenty of examples of 62s and 63s with very clean reverses and scuffy obverses. >>
..however with Morgans the obverse is also the dated side

with the Canada gold Hoard the dated side is the best side which is the Reverse

anyways I'm gonna send some in to PCGS and thats mainly because they have a special label produced for them ...the Canada equivalent ICCS seldom designates special issues and I havent heard any buzz on their program for dealing with these coins. Also its apparent that PCGS has had a foot in the door of the RCM over these coins for 2 years at least so it would appear that ICCS isn't trying too hard probably due to the fact that they have cornered the Canada coin mkt in cert coins for many decades now..... I think the bomb grades will be certified by PCGS and achieve the greatest value this way as usual......
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 Posted 03/10/2013  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my set of 3 $5 gold coins starting at $0.01
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-1913-1...t_3109wt_922
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