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1869-S Seated Quarter

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What am I seeing on the obverse. I've pretty much ruled out a die clash although it certainly has all the traits of one. Possible die fracture?

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=ite...200852951332
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It does appear the die is fractured and the die probably didn't last much longer after this coin was struck by the length and location of the cracks. It's definitely an original coin. There is a scratch on the reverse shield which, in my opinion, is a serious problem even for such a scarce date.

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I would concur with Gyrene. The motto is extremely weak, possibly as a result of the die fracture. Kind of amazing that it was able to strike that quarter.
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Yes those are die cracks, and some fairly severe ones. They don't have anything to do with the weakness of the motto though. The cracks are in the area of QUAR DOL and ERICA. If they caused weakness it would be in those areas.
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Die crack? No, die crush.

Real old cleaning, maybe?
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I bet shortly after this, that die was pulverized!
Yeah Dave, appears cleaned at one point. It toned back semi attractively :-)
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whatever it is it sure is cool. looks like a bunch of die cracks, what I would assume would ended up as having been a fractured die that created these craks
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A lovely coin indeed that all of us would be pleased with.

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Here's one, similar die state, MS-65 per NGC and sold for $12,000, that was in a Stack's auction:

https://stacksbowers.com/auctions/A...LotID=401469

In their write-up, Stack's estimated that but 100-150 pieces of this date are extant. While I realize that this is a scarce date, that number seems unrealistic to me. The original mintage was 76,000. Interestingly, the mintage for the 1901-S quarter was comparable, being a bit over 72,000.

Coincidentally, I scooped up an 1869-S this past weekend at a flea market. I bought it on impulse as it was a date that I couldn't recall seeing in my travels. It is the same die state as these two examples.







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I think I see an MPD in the denticles under the "6" of 1869. From what I've read, they had a lot of problems with die life and proper hardness during this time, and would test the die in the denticles.
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Nice coin - ANY 1869-S is a find.. The die cracks make it even more appealing. This was probably the only pair of dies used to make this date - 76000 coins is very poor die life, however. Unfortuntely, cash is in short supply at my house or I would pick up this tough coin - I am always on the lookout for 1863-69 Seated half dimes, dimes and quarters due to their scarcity.
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