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 Posted 11/24/2012  9:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone know the reverse hub id for the VAM-26? Thank you.
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VAM 26 is known for the 9 digitfrom the date is found within the dentile....its not about the reverse type ID....
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I know. On Vamworld the reverse pic of the VAM26 is the same reverse that I have on my Morgan. I searched the normal date varieties (obverse) and didn't come up with a pairing. I thought I might be able to narrow it down by knowing the reverse hub number.
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Are you basing your opinion on the reverse cracks shown on the one coin? Those are kinda definitive, especially the one through D-wing-S; that's pretty unique and would be a strong case for a match if your coin shows it along with the rest of them.

Rather than the misplaced 9 on the obverse, I'd key on the scratch in the kernels. Both sets of images - one early, one late die state I'm guessing since the first has no reverse cracks - show that scratch clearly and if yours lacks it, a good case can be made that you've a new die pair.

Off to VAMworld with you. If all the above is true, they need to see your coin.
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The reverse matches. That is why I was asking for the reverse hub number. I thought that reverse would appear on something else because I couldn't match the obverse for the VAM 26.
I already checked for the scratches at the kernals. They weren't there. I'll take another look. The obverse has a small die-crack extending from the left highest star (7th) to the lower left part of the E.
If I don't see them, I'll post it on Vamworld. Thanks SuperDdave.
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So you've run into the biggest problem - there simply isn't enough raw data available publicly at VAMworld yet. That's improving every day, but the job is....pretty big. Your bet, then, is to find someone who has a different 1896-P with the same reverse. The research would have to delve deeper than just die cracks, of course, but identical cracks of that unique pattern would be a pretty good indicator.

Consider: Your reverse is a later die state of a known die pair, except with a different obverse. Who's to say that yet another obverse die is paired with it, either before or after yours and V26? Makes you dizzy sometimes.

How's the date location on your obverse? If it's not a match for the fairly-Near location of V26's, it'd be a solid piece of evidence.
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Date position looks the same as the V26.
I will have a chance this upcoming weekend to visit a show. I'll bring it. I also planned to pick up a book. What are the best titles for VAM's to look for? I'm kind of hooked on this crazy hobby.
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The VAM Encyclopedia by Van Allan & Malis is the single best print overview of VAMming. but since the newest addition was published back in the Nineties, almost half of all known VAMs have been identified. It's of more use as a historic reference for background data.

There are varying specialized publications directed at certain aspects and lists of VAMs - Top 100, 8TF coins, etc - but in all honesty VAMworld is probably the single resource you must become most familiar with.

Your success at the show is going to be hit or miss depending on what VAM specialist may or may not be there.
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