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An Interesting 1889 10 Cent From A '98 Auction Catalog

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Today at the local show I bought for two dollars an auction catalog from a December 1998 sale in NYC presented by Superior Stamp & Coin. Among just under two thousand lots the highest bid went to an 1889 10 Cent. The description is as follows:

"CANADA. Victoria. 10 Cents, 1889. KM-3. PCGS Report as of 1998 has graded only 3 examples mint state and none above MS 63. Visually stunning with reflective reverse surfaces. Lovely lavendar (sic) toning and possible (sic) the finest known for this RARE date.

Choice Uncirculated ........($7500-UP)

The hammer price was $19550. Although decimal coinage is not my specialty I'd like to initiate a discussion on this piece. What are your thoughts on the final bid? Would you have bought it, funds permitting? Where would such a coin stand today? I realize a sparse description such as this isn't much on which to base an opinion.
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 Posted 11/24/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jg86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One was up for auction at last month's Torex. Start price was $25,000, with an estimate of $50,000 - $55,000. It received no bids.
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Mintage of the 1889 10 cents was only 600,000. The 'Coins and Canada' website puts the value of an MS63 coin at $44,200.- Canadian. At $19,550.- it might have been considered a good price to pay by avid collector but, even if I had that kind of money to spend, I believe I would 'pass'. This link provides more details of the coin itself and grade values:-

http://coinsandcanada.com/coins-pri...ts-1858-1901
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No real market for it. Unlike US coins Stratospere Canadian is very very very thinly traded. No players!
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The Royal Mint reported 600,000 Canadian 10c minted in 1889, but the scarcity of the 1889 date makes it clear that the vast majority must have been dated 1888.

In the 2007 report the RCM admits to making over 100 million 2006 dated one cent in 2007, including perhaps all of the reported 9.5 million CPZ.
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The price today probably woulndn't be much higher than the 1998 price of $19550+fees+taxes.If today's value was anywhere near the $50000 in trends,a dealer would have snapped it up at $25000.At the same sale,an F15 had no bidders at about 50% of trends value.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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T.J., AWESOME coin, however, I nickname coins of that "calibre" >Lottery Coins. Simply because every coin collector of Canadian decimal coinage would have to win the Lottery Jackpot (million+$) in order to afford this type of coin.
Now of course, there are what's known as the .00000001% Collector who have the personal wealth to afford this coin, but unfortunately they are few and far inbetween.
Also, in today's economy, it's not only a buyer's market but everyone is burdened these days with credit card/mortgage debt loads that were unheard of 20 years ago. (and rising) These days try even selling a $300.00 and see if you will get 60% trends?
I find buying expensive coins would be like buying an expensive home. If there is anything you don't like about the house, you'll move onto the next. Same with an expensive coin, it would have to appeal to the person that can afford it, virtually 100% or they will pass on the coin and wait for the next to come up for sale!

(P.S.: I.C.C.S. has graded an MS-66 and a total of 4 Mintstate examples)

Glenn
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11/25/2012 04:03 am
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Two things make my mind up that it's a bad idea.

1. Personally, I would have purchased gold back in 1998. Now go and figure out the profit that would have been made in Gold vs. an 1889 dime.

2. and perhaps more pertinent to the discussion, a PCGS ms63 graded Canadian coin back in 1998 has the very strong chance of being vastly OVERgraded.
A chance I would not want to take.
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"1. Personally, I would have purchased gold back in 1998. Now go and figure out the profit that would have been made in Gold vs. an 1889 dime."

Hindsight is 20-20!
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