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Getting Wheats On The Cheap!

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 Posted 11/28/2012  01:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lonz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all!

I created this half page flyer to post around my city during the holidays to hopefully grab some cheap pennies and maybe segue into some silver. There are a lot of community boards within local establishments, but was also going to plaster a few on the coinstars as well!! Who knows... maybe I'll hit the motherload @ under 2 cents each...



If anyone does this currently or has any suggestions, feel free to comment... also... if you're interested in my flyer, I can send it to you as a .PSD for you photoshop users... that way you can just swap out my name and number with yours.... just send me an email



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 Posted 11/28/2012  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most excellent Lonz! Looks great, good luck.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Approximately how much does that equate to per Wheat cent? What if a dealer dumps their culls on you?
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 Posted 11/28/2012  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lonz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
....Less than 2 Cents per. Plus I put in there "up to." for just that reason.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok at less than 2 cents each, you are doing great. The guy I buy bulk wheaties from charges me $1.75 per roll.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lonz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm targeting Cash Advance/ Short term loan places, plus the local "We Buy Gold/Silver" shops. Figure people are willing to put a title loan against their car, might have some wheats they don't think are valuable/don't know how to go about selling them. Also, wonder how long the coinstar ones will survive! hehe

Plus I know that this is the time of year that banks get alot of coin in from people to cash in to buy gifts.

I'm going to get this printed up today after I buy another color ink cartridge (first one broke half way through its lifespan) and start papering the town! LOL!
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 Posted 11/28/2012  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! I tried something like that a month or two ago, but didn't get any response.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mfhorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
QUICK......Everyone West of the Mississippi call Lonz. Doesn't say how far he will travel!

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 Posted 11/28/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lonz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's funny mfhorn!

Noah's .... Did you try any Craigslist ads? Or just flyers? I've put things on Craigslist, but didn't reveive any bites!
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 Posted 11/28/2012  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, just flyers. Don't like the Craigslist site format, so I don't even have an account.
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 Posted 11/29/2012  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add M0nks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice looking ad lonz I also wish you the best of luck
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 Posted 11/29/2012  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know, I don't feel quite as good about this than the rest of you.

The flier and campaign is a great idea, but you're actively and knowingly trying to rip people off. The buying rate for wheat cents is NOT less than 2 cents per coin. Cheap coin shops usually will even pay about 3 cents for searched bulk these days. You're only going to catch the attention of two kinds of people. Previous collectors or hoarders who would scoff at your price or likely some elderly individual(s) who are being taken advantage of.

The argument of "if they are happy with it" is a poor one. I have always felt knowledgeable people have an obligation to be fair and to educate less knowledgeable ones, and not to take advantage of.

I do not approve.
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 Posted 11/29/2012  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The_Duke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My perspective--

I think it's ok. Lonz is offering a fair price, albeit lower than what we think the market might bear. I guess if he doesn't get any takers, he has priced himself below market value.

It's like when I price something with a minimum bid on ebay and don't get any bids, I am left to belive that I priced my item higher than the market would bear and because of that, didn't sell my item. Is it unethical that I tried to maximize my sale price? I don't think so.

When I buy wheats, I pay what I consider a fair price given the circumstances. I sort them and sell the leftovers. I inform my buyers I went through and searched the coins and pulled out the "keepers". But many times I get the same price I paid for them. Is that wrong? I don't think so.

Any transaction is a contract between two parties and each of them is responsible for knowing what they are doing. Knowledge is king.



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 Posted 11/29/2012  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Lonz is offering a fair price


No he is not. Do you have any wheat cents (even admittedly searched) you'd like to sell for less than 2 cents per coin. That's less than it's copper content. If so, PM me, feel free to rip yourself off as I'll buy your entire stock and pay for your shipping.

The assertion that this can be written off as "maximizing profit" is absurd. He is not a publicly traded company with a fiduciary duty to do as such.

Knowledge is king, and nobody should abuse it. The coin hobby is not that large and I feel we all should act as ambassadors and in good faith. Would anybody feel different if he were offering to buy silver (which he actually loosely implied) for way less than spot. The sellers would be victims off his knowledge, not beneficiaries.

The flier looks great and the idea is a good one, but I strongly question the ethics behind this. Just offer a reasonable price, even for a few thousand cents, we're not even talking about that much more money. You know you'd have fun searching them and could re-sell for much more, so don't abuse your knowledge.
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 Posted 11/29/2012  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its not like he is offering such a low price for the coins.

Anyway, most of the people who would want to sell to him are NOT coin collectors like yourself, and they just inherited a buch. or kept them just for fun, are short on cash and want to get rid of them fast.

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 Posted 11/29/2012  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lonz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


.... so I guess Coinstar is "OK" .... I mean as long as they "have a fiduciary responsibility" to rip people off... I mean give them 0.93 cents each for their wheat pennies... it's cool. Or the bank... they'll give you a crisp dollar bill for 100 of em.




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Or my dealer.... he buys wheats for 3 cents and sells them for 4. ... Wait... he buys the whole bucket for 3 cents each... sorts them into decades and sells the 40's and 50's for 4 cents, the 30's for 6 cents, 20's for 8, and teens for 10 cents.

The way I see it... my target market isn't a coin collector, or a "naive person." My target market are the people that would have cashed in their old change at coinstar, the bank, and even if they were told to go to a dealer to sell their coins 98% would not want the "bother" of going out of their way to make more money.

I go to them, or have them meet me somewhere public so that its convenient for them. The person that said if the customer is happy, all is well is absolutely right. I'm not happy selling my wheat pennies to a dealer who will pay me 3 cents each... so I invested some time and effort to post rolls on ebay to get a better return. Not only have I done that with wheats, but coppers as well. My dealer will give me a penny for those, but ebay will give me 2.5

As for silver. I can search alot of halves and invest my time, go to a bullion company and pay 15% above spot with a minimum purchase or pay $30 shipping, go to my dealer and pay just 10% over spot, or find someone who needs/wants to make money now and is willing to sell to me for 10-15% below spot. I'm still giving them more than the "We buy gold" places would - they only pay 70%

Last time I checked, I'm not mother theresa.... nor am I bernie madoff... just a guy trying to score some cool coins in a creative way, meet some interesting folks, and have fun collecting and selling.

btw... does anyone have a grey sheet from 1998? Wanna make sure I give these marks a real up-to-date price....

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