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Gonna see if I can stump someone here. I have a Belgium 5 Francs 1939 in VF condition. It is either KM#117.1, 117.2, or 116.2. Milled edge with lettering but I see no crown or star. Where would I look for the crown or star and what is the difference between KM# 117.2 and 116.2? I can include a pic of the coin if you'd like but I know it's a Dutch legend. I can't take a clear pic of the edge. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would love for this to be $500!  -GO |
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A picture would help. Just a guess but I believe the the star is between the French and Dutch word for belgium. Krause doesn't explain, I did a web search and wasn't able to find anything there either.
Ron
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Edited by GO
04/03/2007 09:59 am
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Inserting images is covered in Bobby's "Uploading Photos" Tutorial, also accessable by clicking the link on the left of the screen. Your coin has "=Belgie" on the left, so it's a KM 117 type. KM 116 types have "Belgique" on the left, and "Belgie=" on the right. I don't have any coins of these types to examine in hand. I gather, from the paragraph at the beginning of the Belgium section in Krause, that the differences between 117.1, 117.2 and 117.3 and positions A and B are all to do with the edge lettering - the star or crown would appear on the edge, too. Edge lettering, by the way, which your coin doesn't seem to have. If I'm reading this right, that makes your coin a KM 117.3 (milled edge, no lettering - error), CV $70 in VF. Sadly, not the $500 in VF for a KM 116.2, but still better than KM 117.1 ($20) or KM 117.2 (50¢). Nice find!  Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Belgium has A and B positions for the lettering on the edge I the coin with the face of the king upwards can be read on the edge it is a B position If the text is upside down it is an A position Since I only got gold 20 francs coins this is the sumtotal of my knowledge  |
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Thanks for the responses so far. I'll still have to check Position A & B but the prices are the same so not too worried at the moment. There is edge lettering that I can read BELGIE BELGIQUE. I have a pic posted to show a little of it. I still cannot see any star or crown which is weird. I'll just wait around till someone comes along with this exact coin.
Thanks for the help so far guys!
-GO
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Belgium
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België is Flemish if in capitals the double point over the e is omitted Belgique is French On some commems you will find Belgien which is German since we have a German speaking community too As I understand it that piece of Belgium got lost in the war of 14-18 and got returned after the war of 40-44 with the people speaking German by then  |
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As I understand it that piece of Belgium got lost in the war of 14-18 and got returned after the war of 40-44 with the people speaking German by then
Not that it matters much in this particular context but those areas were part of the Austrian Habsburg monarchy until shortly after the French revolution, then part of France for a couple of years. In 1815 they became Prussian (and thus later German), in 1920 Belgian. And apart from the 1940-44 German occupation they have stayed Belgian until today; it's just that they now have a more autonomous status than before 1983. With regard to to the total population of the country, that community is a very small one though ... Christian |
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Whups, goofed again...  I honestly didn't see the edge lettering on your coin there in the third picture. Not a 117.3 after all. Sorry about that... If I had to guess, I'd say a star - I think I can see two points of a 5-pointed star, just to the left of centre of your oval highlight. But, as you've already noticed, I'm no expert in this series - I don't know what shape the star or crown ought to be. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I have looked at that one spot over and over and it seems to be just 2 bag marks or whatever they're called. I will have to assume that is a partial star unless I hear otherwise. I'll post this topic again in a month just to see if anyone has this coin yet again.
Thanks for the help everyone so far.
-GO
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Belgium
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Chrisild History is not really my forte But what you say makes me think if it applies to all of Belgium I have a statue of Margaretha of Austria about 200 meter from were I was born I understand she ruled from Mechelen and the first stage Coach was between Mechelen and Austria Somehow or other we had the Romans here and the Spanish and of course the French and since I speak flemish probably the Dutch and the Viking and god knows who else But I seem to remember that German is now an official Belgian language and the corner of Belgium is called Eupen Malmedy |
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On the coin I suddenly realised I have access to the Belgian only guide which I only used for gold coins There are 6 differnt 5 francs for that year and the crown should be on the edge http://users.telenet.be/egmp/belgie...indexdgb.htmIt says it is pure nickel designed by Wynants and a lot of coins were returned to be remelted I do not own anykind of Belgian coin cataloguy so I cannot be more specific |
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Posted 04/02/2007 8:08 pm
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