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Its A Horse, A Horse Of Course! Dominion Of Carthage

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Its been a fabulous month for this bottom feeder. I bought this from a seller I have done business with several times before with no hiccup. Then this happened, we worked out a deal for this Carthage Billon tri-drachm SGCoP191 of Carthage, the coin pictured in the listing is no doubt the coin I received but I believe it was misattributed. The seller posted a picture of this coin and it simply looked like any run of the mill upper mid-sized bronze denomination. The coin pictured showed a brown color. The coin in hand is a wonderful sparkly grey color. I also found it very difficult to photograph. The I started poking around looking at the wildwinds SGCop 191 and this is not that coin, in fact further down the list you will find my coin, its of a slightly different type. Lorber-168! Billon Tridrachm struck 210-205 BC during the Second Punic War. HJB- states that it comes from a hoard cataloged by C.Lorber around 1997 it appears in Coin Hoards Vol. IX 2002 Punic "Horse and Palm" Billon Tridrachms by C. Lorber. The coin is described as belonging to Hannibal.$850 beans in VF. Too rich for my blood so now I have one in F which is F by me.

Zeugitana. Carthage
Hannibal Barca (The Scourage of Rome)
Struck 210-205 BC
BI Tri-drachm 25.6mm @ 10.54g
Obverse: Traditional Bust of Tanit Left.
Reverse: Horse Standing right Palms tree Behing (small scale type)

Its-A-Horse,-A-Horse-Of-Course!-Dominion-Of-Carthage
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12/01/2012 8:36 pm
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anoob,

I really like this one...congrats.

It does look like SGCop 191 but I didn't find a Lorber 168 on wildwinds...?

Nice.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry the Lorber 168 entry is ABOVE the SGCop 191

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/gree...rber_168.txt
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen this coin. Not this one, but one like it. It's a great pick up. Congrats.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hey Bing- its the same one sold by that they guy you got the Blasio from.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really nice find, you have been finding some excellent coin lately. Congrats.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought it looked familiar
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my collection of Carthage I am working up to Punic silver... well an electrum stater...I might have to work well...LONGTIME...at this rate. Neither are cheap...These Punic coins are getting crazy though. Who else has noticed that? On ebay, Vcoins and numismall its not uncommon to see near slugs sell for $50 bucks. Wild!
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 Posted 12/01/2012  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have been buying some interesting pieces recently and this is sweet. Imagine what it would have looked like freshly minted? As impressive as any modern day coin.
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that's another cool coin AN. you've been on a roll man. 10g, there's some meat on those old bones.

so what do you mean by it was described as belonging to hannibal? like it may have been in one of his chests of coin at time?
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 Posted 12/01/2012  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A roll yes its been a good month! From Hannibals stash no. That would be awesome. Carthage mints are a bit iffy when you come down to it.During the second Punic War when Hannibal invaded the Italian Peninsula they faced a financial nightmare. Nearly all the gold and silver went to pay the Mercenary forces fighting the Romans in the Italian Peninsula. Most likely the debased coinage was used by the locals of the Carthaginian domain to partake in regular everyday commerce. In fact the coin was struck under Hannibal's authority, during war time. Much like the Steel pennies of the United States minted under the Authority of FDR during WW2. I wish I could elaborate more on the particulars but but as of late the baby is with Grandma and I am swimming in cheap wine. Glad you like the coin.
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 Posted 12/01/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok, I got AN. enjoy your wine swim...it's almost beer time here.
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Wow Anoob, that coin off the chart..... very nice..
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 Posted 12/01/2012  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ancientnoob thats a great coin!
Nice purchase!
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 Posted 12/02/2012  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An excellent coin, not that easy to get in any condition
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 Posted 12/02/2012  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice details on this one!
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