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 Posted 12/07/2012  4:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 14ers to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I spotted this just minutes before it ended.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/26113751132....m1423.l2649

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 Posted 12/07/2012  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Canadian Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't understand how people bid on that thinking it was real.
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 Posted 12/07/2012  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Addict to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I'll bite, bear in mind I'm a newbie and I'm not terribly interested in this type coin. What indicates this is a fake?
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 Posted 12/07/2012  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks nothing like one:

Another-Phoney?

I always look for a certified example when I am not certain.
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 Posted 12/07/2012  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
What indicates this is a fake?

The devices are all wrong, and the coin has very "grainy" looking fields.
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 Posted 12/07/2012  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good grief--what a piece of junk--in every way!
It screams fake, but so many people buy on impulse.
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 Posted 12/08/2012  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I looked at http://www.ngccoin.com/NGCCoinExplo...CoinID=16970 and I can't see any obvious differences.


Would someone point them out, please ?
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 Posted 12/08/2012  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the ebay fake:

Another-Phoney?

Here is an NCG graded coin:

Another-Phoney?

The design on the fake is similar but not ever close.

As Candian-Banknotes stated, the coin has a very grainy look to it and the devices are wrong. So even if you are unsure of a design, knowing coins in general will always prove valuable because this particular thing would scream fake.
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 Posted 12/08/2012  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 14ers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pertinax:
Compare the distance between the rim and Liberty's foot and her head. It is quite close on the genuine and not so close on the fake. Compare the dates on the two photos CoinsKelly posted. The original has crisp, flat numerals and those on the fake are rounded out. These two indicators are evident on the reverse as well with the size of the eagle and the softness of the lettering.
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 Posted 12/08/2012  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
14ers,
Thanks for pointing the differences out.

I had just assumed that the un-crispness of the letters and numbers were due to wear.

In a case like this (after the auction has ended), would you point out to the seller, the buyer, or ebay that the coin is fake ?
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 Posted 12/08/2012  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 14ers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know that some members here have connections or perhaps just experience with ebay and they manage to get counterfeits pulled before the end of the sales. I don't know what can be done after a sale. ebay does not allow one buyer as a third party to contact another buyer about a transaction. I kinda felt bad about this one because I happened across it in the last minute of the auction and there was no time left to contact the seller. Does anyone out there think the seller should be contacted at this point?
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 Posted 12/09/2012  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The figure of LIBERTY is much too small (note how on the genuine the head extends up between the stars and foot nealy reaches the denticals) and the font of the date numerals is wrong and they are smaller than on the genuine coin. Not the top of the 1, the top loop of the 8 is larger then the bottom, on the genuine the lower loop is slightly larger. On the 7 the "stem" is almost straight and not well curved as on the genuine. The bottom of the 2 is nearly flat unlike the curve on the genuine. The denticals are large and uneven unlike the uniform denticals on the genuine coin. The rim had pronounced finning, which isn't a diagnostic feature in itself, but it is commonly seen on fakes and seldom, especially to that extreme, on genuine coins.
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 Posted 12/10/2012  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is from that rare P mint, Peking
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