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1858 3 Cent Clipped

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I'm taking a guess and saying it is PMD.
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I agree, PMD...
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pmd.
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I agree. PMD.
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Yep PMD, no blakesley effect showing. Ken Potter has some good info on this if you don't know what to look for.
http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...gnostics.htm

and here is one more page describing the straight clips fake vs. real.
http://www.coinsgb.com/Error_Coins/...lanchet.html
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Yep PMD, no blakesley effect showing.

You must remember though that this is NOT an absolute diagnostic. If the Blakelsey effect is present then the clip is most likely good. But if it is NOT present that does not mean that the clip is definitely bad. It is possible to have a genuine clip with no Blakesley effect.
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Condor, would the next diagnostic be the weakness around the clip? Or is that only with planchettes that were clipped prior to being coined?

I can't tell on this ebay trime.
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All genuine clips are clipped before being coined.

Now having said that I've thought of an exception. That would be an incomplete clip that breaks into a curved clip and an elliptical clip after striking.

Other features to look for is metal flow and details flowing into the clip and the way the rims bevel at the clip. On clad coins look for a reversal of the metal smear from the rim to the inside of the clip. On clad coins when the blank is punched out the metal smears on the edge. This is why when you look at the edge you will see a thick clad layer, the copper layer and then either a very thin or non visible clad layer. On a clipped clad coin if the top clad layer is the thick one, inside the clip the top will be thin and the bottom layer will be the thick one.
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If it was clipped for the silver then they picked an awfully small coin to clip. I think it would have been better to clip a Morgan or something.
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I think you're thinking of the European practice of "clipping" medieval and early modern coins about the edge to steal silver. A "clipped planchet" in this conversation is referring to a planchet that was not a complete disc before being struck into a coin.
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