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1895 O I'm New To This And All The Counterfeits Scare Me.

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I bought this from ebay. After my wife got it in the mail(I work in the arctic and thats where I am now) she said it looked kind of greenish. We just got a scale yesterday and had her weigh it. She says it weighs 26.1 grams. I paid about 140 for it. I'm just hoping I didn't make a mistake.

1895-O-I'm-New-To-This-And-All-The-Counterfeits-Scare-Me.

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 Posted 12/11/2012  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one looks genuine with honest wear.
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That makes me feel better. How much weight is acceptable for a coin be before you think it"s fake. Also, do you think I paid too much for it?
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 Posted 12/11/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one has quit a bit of wear so will weigh less. I think you got a decent deal on it, looks like a VG-10 and Coin World Trends lists a VG at $350 (retail).
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 Posted 12/11/2012  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A perfect candidate for an acetone bath.
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 Posted 12/11/2012  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfanmorgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Using PCGS's online photograde, I would say this is close to a fine-12 with wear grade. Not sure about the price. Even using the PCGS price guide, I can't make an accurate guess.
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 Posted 12/11/2012  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arcticsparky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I checked out your site IndianGoldEagle, You have alot of nice stuff. I'm wondering about the price on this 1895o bacause I'm not sure if it's worth sending in for grading or not.
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 Posted 12/11/2012  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfanmorgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You need to know if it's polished first. If I remember correctly, and someone correct me if I am wrong, that PCGS doesn't grade polished coins.
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Is it ok to clean with acetone? By the way its 58 below zero here. Death breath
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How do I know if its polished?
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The best way that I can tell you in how to determine if the coin is polished is to look for signs that someone has rubbed something against the surface. There could be multiple surface scratches from such a thing happening. Because of the dark coloring on yours, I'm guessing it's polished or worn. If a coin is in MS, meaning Mint-State, it will have most of it's luster still left from when it was first minted. This is just my own opinion mixed in with some web research.
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It looks like there is some green gunk on it and my wife said a bunch of black and greenish stuff came off it when she wiped it with a piece of toilet paper.
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I appreciate you guys taking some time to help me. Thanks.
What about acetone does anyone think that would be ok. I will probably resell this some time in the future.
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I wouldn't clean your coin in anyway unless one of the Pillars of the Community members on here suggests it. You don't want to rub anything against the silver dollar, which might result in decereasing the value. Best thing you can do is to wait and see what others suggest.
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I don't see signs of polish--which normally expose bare silver and give it a "buffed" appearance.
It looks like natural wear--and possibly it was lost for a while on the ground or a reactive environment. Slabbing might get you a "details grade"
I'm guessing that's the source of the green encrustration--reaction of 10% copper to the elements.

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It looks like there is some green gunk on it and my wife said a bunch of black and greenish stuff came off it when she wiped it with a piece of toilet paper.


Not so good - that action right there could have left the parallel scratch marks which we see and call the coin "cleaned." She wasn't so much "removing" things as she was first "moving" those things across the surface of the coin before removing them.

I'm going to recommend this one for acetone, even though it goes against my general rule - I'll explain both.

First, I generally do not recommend the use of acetone on a coin whose surface already shows this much color, regardless of what that color might be. The problem is if the acetone works well. The color is not even over the surface of the coin, and acetone is unlikely to remove it all because chances are it isn't all stuff that acetone is effective on. What will remain is a coin with a blotchy appearance that will be an immediate signal to someone who knows what to look for - it's been cleaned.

But. The green I see, especially on the right reverse rim, looks to be the byproduct of attack by PVC byproducts. This is an active thing, an ongoing infection which will cause ruinous damage to the coin if allowed to continue. PVC removal trumps everything else.

Do a Search of the Main Coin Forum for the keyword "acetone." A number of good threads regarding its' safe usage will appear, and you need to look at them. You need to be particularly cognizant of the need for proper ventilation when using acetone because that's going to be tough where you are.

You got a decent price for this coin. I see no reason to doubt its' authenticity. Even if it ends up with the label "cleaned," you won't lose your shirt on the resale. It's a low-mintage, semi-key Morgan and it needs to be preserved for the future.

In this specific case, that means acetone. Soon. A few days for research is OK; a few months isn't.

Edited addition for DVCollector: I'm of the mind that PVC contamination - being "slimy" by nature when this extensive - will come off more easily with a wipe than would verdigris. So that's the conclusion I came to when "green" was mentioned. Frankly, with an 1895-O we can't afford to take the chance.

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