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Thank you guys I appreciate it and am glad to be part of the community.
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Thank you guys I appreciate it and am glad to be part of the community.


Nice to have you. Now, go clean your coin.

I cannot believe I just posted that.
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I didn't consider the green was PVC--I hope acetone helps!
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SsuperDdave,

If you were my Secret Santa recipient, I would have sent you some Brasso & Never-Dull.


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Further proof that there is always an exception to the rule.
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What is a "details grade".
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"details" means the coin was cleaned

If you are thinking about sending this out to be graded and slabbed, you could let them conserve the coin for you. I don't know what that costs but it will save the coin.

My advice -- if you are going to try acetone, practice on something else first.

I've never tried cleaning a coin myself but I don't think I'd start with that one.
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Dear "Freezing up north!"
A "details grade" refers to the actual amount of wear and detail remaining on a coin.
And well it should, for "grading" should properly be limited to these areas.
Beyond the "details grade" lies the adjectives used to describe the coin further.
"lt clnd" = lightly cleaned. An old term but still appropriate.
"Dark toned" = "Not bright enough to please a collector who only wants 'bright white' coins."
Scratches, gouges, and the like are adjectives added to the technical grade to further explain the characteristics of a given coin.
In this day of plastic and labels, we old timers just have to laugh at what passes for a description.
Beyond this simple explanation, what further explanation would help you?

Example:

Details = VF-20
Scratched
Final grade = VF-20.

The scratch is not noticeable unless pointed out.
I bought it as a VF-20, scratched.
ANACS confirmed it.
It now resides in an album, freed from its plastic prison.

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I've never tried cleaning a coin myself but I don't think I'd start with that one.


This is, to my mind, not only a special case but a numismatic emergency. PVC contamination is active. Without intervention, it *will* wreck the coin beyond any real numismatic value. You'll normally hear me being much more conservative regarding acetone - I would never recommend acetone for a coin of this appearance absent the PVC.

Arcticsparky, the major Third-Party Graders (TPGs) will only offer their "normal" slabs for coins judged to be in completely original condition. Cleaning, accidental marks/scratches, environmental damage, all these and others will lead to what's called a "details" grade. The slab will be the same, but a notation will be made on it that the surfaces are not original. This, of course, leads to a substantial reduction in retail value.

Given the likely PVC contamination, your coin will likely get a Details grade anyways. No TPG will slab a coin at all which has an active PVC problem; they know it will destroy the coin if left unchecked. Only NGC's sister company, NCS, will professionally remove the PVC for you and then pass it on to NGC for encapsulation.

For the record, PVC is a plastic additive (polyvinyl chloride) used as a softening agent to make the plastic less brittle. Smell a new shower curtain - that's PVC. Its' outgassing interacts with silver, literally eating it away. And unfortunately, it used to be very commonly used in coin flips and containers. You're paying the price for that previous use.
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Thank you this has all been very helpfull. I went on a spending spree at the same time I bought this coin (about 4000 dollars), so I have alot of them that are lower grade to try the acetone on. I also aquired some other rare coins, which I'll show you guys when I can fly home later this week. I will put the advice I have been given to good use.
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