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1913-S Gold Indian Head $10

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 Posted 12/12/2012  11:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lux73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, this is my first post here. I'd like to buy this coin and I was just wondering what kind of grade this coin is. Your help would be much appreciated for grading opinion and also for a value.

Thank you

1913-S-Gold-Indian-Head-$10

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 Posted 12/12/2012  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not the best grader so first,

That's a beautiful coin. Should grade well.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Welcome to Coin Community, lux73. Nice first post.

You need to be very careful with this one. 1913-S is considered to be the second-rarest coin in the series in higher grade, and commands a substantial premium over other examples. Further, values jump considerably between grades.

The technical detail I see here is in the AU55-58 range. It may even be Uncirculated, but the eagle's shoulder and left leg hint to me that it circulated just a bit. Here's the trouble - the difference in AU55 and AU58 for this coin is about a thousand dollars of value. If it's actually Mint State, the value quadruples - this is a $10,000+ coin in Uncirculated condition.

I cannot tell from the photos whether the coin's surfaces are original, or if it's been polished. It *might* just be the nature of the lighting, but there is too much shine on the face for me to be comfortable. If polished, the value drops greatly.

What is the seller's claim of condition and value?
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 Posted 12/12/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin that appears to have very light wear. My guess on this one would be an AU-58.
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....with what SsuperDdave said. The obverse field next to the 3rd and 4th stars has the lovely "orange peel" texture that is seen in mint state Indian eagles. However, the central headdress feathers and the eagle's shoulder and head show dullness and loss of detail that is typical of an AU piece. That golden shine unfortunately might not be original at all, just the result of a careful cleaning.

If you can get this at a bullion-related price it might turn out to be a great buy. If it's a cleaned AU piece it won't be worth much over bullion value.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lux73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all. I'm sorry but I'm not to much into coin grading and I'm from italy so I have just some problems to understand all your opinions. The coin is graded by italian numismatic and its graded mSPL but I really dont know if PCGS or NCG would grade this coin and what grade could it get. The seller just asks something about 5760$.
I could just add some pics in low resolution but maybe could help because they are with different light situation.

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Proceed with caution if you are looking to buy this coin. My take is this does not appear to be cleaned or polished. The way the surfaces "glow" and the band of light that approximately bisects the obverse, I believe are consistent with original mint luster. The high points on the obverse, the forehead and cheek, appear to be lustrous. I am not completely sure if there is wear on the top of the eagle's left wing but it does not appear to have the dull, dark appearance caused by wear. It kind of looks like the surface that one sees when it is not fully struck. While it may grade AU-58, I have a feeling it is MS and given the marks, seems to be targeting a grade of a 63. If it grades that, it could be worth $25000+. Be very careful if you are considering this piece as you could lose $4000+ if it does not grade well.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an odd price. Too high for circulated condition, too low for Uncirculated. I must advise you to pass on this one if you cannot personally determine its grade and originality. 1913-S is far more valuable than most other $10 Indians and as such need to be carefully verified.
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 Posted 12/15/2012  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would only buy something that expensive if it was graded by PCGS, NGC, or even ANACs
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 Posted 12/17/2012  06:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lux73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all for opinions.

It's not time for me to buy my first gold indian head...
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