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1897 Barber Quarter

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 Posted 12/13/2012  4:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tjmcman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey everyone, I was wondering how this coin would be graded. Your thoughts?


1897-Barber-Quarter

1897-Barber-Quarter

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 Posted 12/13/2012  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tough one for me, I'm harsh on grading but I'd give it MS61 details
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 Posted 12/13/2012  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am thinking this 1892 quarter could grade AU-55 possibly AU-58. Nice coin!
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I think it is uncirculated but grade-limited by scattered fine hairlines and ticks, including the minor rim hit at 5:00 on the reverse. Luster seems intact on the reverse with a nice smooth band from UNITED to AMERICA. The obverse luster is a little weaker, slightly diminished near the portrait. I don't see obvious evidence of cleaning.

I think MS-62 would be fair and MS-63 would be possible. Nice first-year example (it's an 1892, not 1897!) for a type or date set!
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 Posted 12/14/2012  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tjmcman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback. And the catch on the date. These old eyes and rushing in my typing get me, sometimes.

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 Posted 12/15/2012  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-62. My original thought was MS-63 but their is a rim nick at 5 o'clock on the reverse and a little too much chatter in the obverse fields for a 63.
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 Posted 12/15/2012  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU-58 details, cleaned. I see slight wear on the high points.
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 Posted 12/21/2012  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elbesaar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Nice coin, yes, it's been dipped, not cleaned.
I also see rub on the high points, and very slight
handling / circulation marks. I'd grade it AU 58.

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 Posted 12/29/2012  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an AU58 or AU55. The slightly discolored cheek, tip of the nose and back portion of the neck clearly show wear. Additionally, the scattered harilines across the coin are typically of lightly circulated silver. The coin has been dipped and would still grade cleanly if submitted. Many folks like the dipped white look of Barber coinage.
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 Posted 01/01/2013  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tjmcman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback. I'd like to ask a question on dipping. I believe that I'm seeing luster on this coin. Would not dipping remover this?
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 Posted 01/01/2013  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS61. in my opinion it will not get details because it is not cleaned, but lightly dipped.
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To answer your question, the coin has also been clearly dipped. However, a dip need not remove all the luster from a coin. Dipping will affect the flowlines and these flowlines are the reason we see luster. A coin that is dipped properly, is a good candidate for a dip and is not dipped too often should retain sufficient flowlines so as to allow mint luster to be evident. In other words, not all coins look dead after a dip. In my opinion, an AU coin that is 120+ years old and that is scrupulously white looks odd, but others love this look.
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In my opinion, an AU coin that is 120+ years old and that is scrupulously white looks odd, but others love this look.


I generally disagree with those who would unequivocally pronounce a coin "dipped" based solely on published photographs. This one is an exception to that rule - the luster is simply too bright for a coin which has plainly seen a slight bit of circulation.

Even so, all I'll say is that it has "almost certainly" been dipped, by someone who knew what they were doing.
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 Posted 01/01/2013  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think we are in agreement.
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all I'll say is that it has "almost certainly" been dipped, by someone who knew what they were doing.




Any length of time longer than what you see here, could have had results that would be "undesirable".
Having said that, it's a nice looking coin.
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 Posted 01/02/2013  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tjmcman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey everyone, I really appreciate this conversation. My goal in pursuing this coin was to find a barber in good condition just to understand what the mint's goal was in producing this series of coins. I have a half that has been treated, also. I am literally so new to this science that I haven't developed a 'druthers' list as to what I'm looking for in a coin... basically all purchases have been learning experiences.

Having said this, the conversation above has introduced to me another aspect to care of coins. If I take it right, a coin properly dipped does not necessarily lose its numismatic value over time.

I guess what I'm getting at (this is a question) is that dipping could be considered a legitimate course of coin care within the numismatic community?

Thanks!
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