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Oooops.. so sorry.. I've posted on the wrong forum topic
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Did you check the weight of them? That is one of the best ways to tell a fake.

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I switched this to the main coin forum where it should have been placed instead of the giveaway/contest forum
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The coins should weigh 26.73 grams. These are common dates, so I can't see why they would have been counterfeited, but I don't like the look of the denticulation on the 1885. Has the 1921 been polished? It looks like it might have in the pics.

I'm not an expert on this series, so hopefully someone will be along who can give you a better answer.
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It's hard to tell from the photos. I could tell in an instant if I could see and hold them. Normally common date morgans aren't heavily counterfeited but nowadays EVERYTHING is being reproduced in quantity.
If these came from asia, they're almost certainly fakes. If genuine they are not valuable...take them to a coin show or to a few coin shops and get opinions.
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The coins should weigh 26.73 grams. These are common dates, so I can't see why they would have been counterfeited, but I don't like the look of the denticulation on the 1885. Has the 1921 been polished? It looks like it might have in the pics.

I'm not an expert on this series, so hopefully someone will be along who can give you a better answer.


Sometimes a counterfeiter will counterfeit common coins cause some people get that exact thought. They will do it because they want to make money if that makes sense. Only my opinion, and hope you don't take this disrespectfully. Merely my Two Cents. They look fine to me, except for the 85 for some reason. Weighing it would be your best option. Hope this helps. Take care everyone.

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That is true, Phoenix, and everything is being counterfeited over in China since they consider it "art". That's fine until it ends up being sold as genuine.
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Actually, I believe that those are counterfeits and I have seen many similar ones (usually better dates) listed on ebay.

Each of them is dull, flat and grainy looking and is missing design detail which should be present(even on a lightly circulated example)in Liberty's hair, among other areas.
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Speaking of counterfeits, I believe that all of the coins currently listed for sale by this ebay seller are just that: http://myworld.ebay.com/vancegator/

Edited to add: Thankfully, the listings got pulled by ebay.

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crzy3by Well, the pictures certainly make the coins look like counterfeits just based on the "dead" look. However, there are also extra wide rims which seem to be caused by shrinkage of the transfer die material. Counterfeiters often added a bit to the edge to make up for shrinkage but it left wider rims. More recent copies have eliminated this problem.

On the issue of forgery - don't underestimate the ability of a forger to make dollar coins. They can be produced for far less than a dollar a coin so even FACE value is attractive. But today common Morgans sell for what $14 each? Big margin and almost no one notices.

I was at a smallish coin show today and found two an 1890 O and a 1903. The first one is a plated white metal made using a simple transfer die (missing details) which was likely made for jewelry but the second is a silver over brass copy that is earlier in date and was most likely made for circulation.
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