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 Posted 12/17/2012  10:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
OK, what is the consensus on this beauty. I have my doubts, but I want to be certain:

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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Judging by the style and execution, I'll bet you this is a modern copy. There's something different about Greek coins and copies that simply look decorative? Did they provide any attribution of type, location or date to compare to a verified example?
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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing. Not even size and weight. It is beautiful, but I doubt it is ancient. If it is,or if the consensus here is that it's real, I will bid on it.
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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not...

This should be a gold stater...

And even if it "looked" gold, it really doesn't look right...
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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree it's beautiful--but it may be a modern Bulgarian interpretation.
It has the look of a modern idealization of Greek designs. I asked for details just to search the databases.
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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess this shows my ignorance of these Greek coins. Thanks for the input.
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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not an ugly looking thing, but since it's apparently intended to look as if it has circulated ("worn"), I would expect a surface that is not that uniform and smooth. At least some minor bumps, scatches, imperfections,...
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 Posted 12/17/2012  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps--or it shows my ignorance of what's possible on Greeks.
The surfaces are just too regular to my eyes.
Also, when Athena's helmet is depicted, the details are more specific.
The nose guard, the crest, and Scylla are more detailed than what I see here.
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 Posted 12/18/2012  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcmworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not. The center line in the ksi in Alexander is missing.
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 Posted 12/18/2012  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Cool looking coin, not sure if its real or not..
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 Posted 12/18/2012  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a very pretty lookin' thing ... sadly, the coin-folks here seem to be a bit doubtful whether it is genuine or not ...

Ummm, and you know what Mr Deniro says about doubt, right?

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 Posted 12/18/2012  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right...I guess that's my moniker now.
I missed Dionysos comment about the gold stater.
Comparing to an original clears things up.

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 Posted 12/18/2012  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a silver copy of a published fake. It is from the Lipanoff Studio, Published: Sofia 2005, no.36 by Dr. Ilya Prokopov. These are modern engraved dies.

Here is an example from the same dies in gold (or goldish).

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 Posted 12/18/2012  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For a fake that's really a nice looking piece.
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 Posted 12/18/2012  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


The Lipanoff stuff is collectible in its own right, it wont carry the same prices as Pauduan in the future but they are, on the whole very well done. Its a shame the obviously skilled people who made them couldn't have displayed their talents in a more 'legal' way.

I'd be happy to own some just out of interest but would only pay 'bottom dollar' for the privilege right now.
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 Posted 12/18/2012  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, with several hours remaining on the auction, so far it has garnered a bid price of $112. I agree with BH. It would be nice to own, but at a much lower price than this.
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