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Another "Old" Topic: Cleaning

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 Posted 04/08/2007  01:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add justmy2centsworth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Yes, I've read previous posts that pretty much say Don't clean...or don't clean unless you ask how...or have an expert do it. But -- I'm confused! Many numismatic websites offer "cleaning/conservation" products for sale, and many are touted as "being safe". (MS 70: "brightener"; eZest: "tarnish remover"; Blue Ribbon: "cleaner, conditioner, preserver"; CoinCare: "cleaner, conditioner" E&T KoinSolve: "Harmless"; UniSolvent...to name a few). Okay, at some point the 'current experts' had never cleaned a coin - they had to start somewhere! Are there any books (or other resource info) or supplies that could be recommended for beginners to use to learn by/with? Clearly, we could "practice" on coins we're leaving in circulation?!
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 Posted 04/08/2007  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By all means experiment with the above mentioned cleaners on some uncirculated or near so "circulation" coins. After all that is how we learn.

However before you do, you will need a high resolution before and after digital photo to show the effect the cleaning has done.

Coins being micro metalic sculptures require more than just a naked eye evaluation, so we use high magnification to see the true condition of the coin. Unfortunately most cleaning methods under magnification show fine scratches caused by the cleaning process. Some coins are so soft even rubbing the finger across the coin will scratch it, gold for example. Replacing dirt with scratches does not increase it's value.

Keep in mind the toning coins aquire with age is valued by many collectors. It also helps protect the coin. Taking it off is like peeling the protective plastic off new electrical equipment to protect the screen. It is also impossible to bring back the original mint bloom once it has gone.

Using the wrong type of chemical cleaner on the wrong type of metal can cause a nasty reaction and cause the coin to discolour or to tone in an unpleasant manner.

There are coins that do benefit from cleaning though. Ancients that have been burried in the dirt or coins that have vertigris. If left uncleaned the latter will continue to eat a hole into the coin and cause pits. Many of the pros that clean ancients will only use (soak) in distilled water or at the worst olive oil which is slightly acidic.

Anyway, have fun and remember to take high resolution comparison photos, or at least examine the coin under a high power lens before and after.
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 Posted 04/08/2007  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately the only good cleaning book I know is the last edition of Wolgang Mehlhausen 2005
called Handbuch zur Münzpflege
and I do not know whether anybody bothered to translate it in English

It rightfulley warns that some of the expensive cleaning products for gold coins are nothing but soap and water

There is also a very good cleaning forum but unfortunately it is in Flemish

This all tells me that dipping over here in Europe is still widely accepted
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 Posted 04/08/2007  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is that most of the products you list are not meant to make a coin more collectible, but rather simply to enhance its appearance to collectors who don't know any better.

Many of us on this site have been deceived by coins that were modified chemically or mechanically. I urge you to think carefully about why you think using those products will increase your enjoyment of the hobby.
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 Posted 04/08/2007  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read an informative article on cleaning coins yesterday on another website. I emailed Susan to get the ok, she said to post the link & the article in the articles section, which I will do as soon as I figure out how. Meanwhile, the article fits this discussion, so I am going to give the location:

http://omnicoin.com/news/Default.aspx?tabid=48

You should be able to cut & paste this web address into your browser to get to the article.

Link fixed. The "http://" needs to be added to make an active hyperlink. - Mod Fred
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