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Valued Member
Canada
306 Posts |
Is this one fake or is it just an overgraded coin with in a basement TPG holder? The date looks very questionable to me. I have very little experience with this series (or most American coins). BTW, I am not considering buying this one I am just curious. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-S-STAN...em5650ac4361 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hello, This is the first time I have even seen the terms 'Lustrous Original' written on a slab. The details and wear look to be normal but the color makes me think that this coin may have been dipped in some unknown mixture at some point in the past. I am not going to be much help on the fairness of the $ 82 starting bid price. Personally, I would not feel comfortable buying a coin in this price range from an unknown TPG unless I could first see and possibly hold the original coin before it is slabbed by this particular TPG. IMHO mdpmedia |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1704 Posts |
This is not a third party grading service slab. It is a holder made for the the coin dealer whose name is on it and how he packaged his coins for sale. The coin appears to be legit but a bit overgraded, perhaps it is an XF-40. The date on the Standing Liberty quarters were on a pedestal from 1916 to 1924 and being so exposed was worn off rather quickly. In 1925 the date was recessed to solve that problem. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3184 Posts |
yuck, stick with NGC, PCGS or ANACs
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Valued Member
United States
54 Posts |
The problem could be the lighting for the pictures, but this is not an AU coin. I would grade it as EF at best. I don't like the mark by the quill on the obverse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4337 Posts |
its not terrible and from what I can see the surfaces are original...the dates and most of the obverse relief rub easily on this series...this coin looks very soft in most of its details...where its not the worst looking 1920 I have ever seen its also not the best at a self proclaimed AU50 so if I were you and $85 is the budget, stretch another $15 to a hundred even and hunt down a TPG coin even from ICG or ANACS in AU50/53...you should be able to find one |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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At first glance the reverse looked VF. Not that much wear on the obverse or reverse rims so looks like it may just be a weak strike which is typical for S mint coins. Not sure that is original luster though, looks like it may have gotten an old cleaning then sat in an album for awhile. The leg is flat so this coin did see quite a bit of circulation. I'd grade this one EF-40 details (cleaned)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1704 Posts |
Here is a well struck 1920, MS-63FH, to compare it with.   I do own this coin. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2480 Posts |
Wowee, Ed. That is quite a beautiful coin, great strike.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3546 Posts |
 w/ dsfree's suggestion as being the best one so far to further minimize any exposure to possible financial losses. The surrounding circumstances do not warrant the risk. mdpmedia |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6384 Posts |
The 1920-S from J. Houk does appear to have enough luster to qualify for AU-50. The detail weakness could be mostly from strike. You know how many sellers represent their coins as "above average" in one respect or another? Well, this one seems clearly "below average" for strike, and since the 1920-S is not known for strong strikes the bar is set pretty low. I'd tend to give the dealer the benefit of the doubt but would value this substandard example correspondingly low. $82 plus $4.95 shipping seems a bit out of line but if you really want this date it could satisfy.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3755 Posts |
As mentioned, this is a mushy strike to start with. The head is pretty much a blob, and the rest of the details are gunky. I see nothing that screams cleaning, and there seems to be decent luster. Given that what appears to be wear is, I think, weak strike, AU50 is not an unfair grade. Perhaps in hand it may indeed be an XF, but I think it is close enough to not crucify the dealer over it. The price is high given the blahness of the coin. And yeah, it's not a TPG. Just because a coin is in a slab with a grade does not mean it is from a TPG, basement or otherwise. All of my Morgans and Peace and a lot of my Ikes are in slabs with grades. I am certainly not claiming to be a TPG. But I bet I would do better than SGS. LOL |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The date on the linked coin looks reengraved,
as the digits are too squared off. Other than
that, the coin looks to have original luster
and an AU 50 grade seems in order... IF...
the date were not messed with.
The 20-S is a semi key and usually commands
a premium over the Phila. Issue. It's pretty hard
to tell what the coin is actually is based on the images.
I'd pass, personally.
If you want to see a really nice 1920-S - check out
HLRC - Harry has a PCGS MS 62 with almost a FH.
Very attractive coin, IMHO.
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Moderator
 United States
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If you want to see a really nice 1920-S - check out
HLRC - Harry has a PCGS MS 62 with almost a FH.
Very attractive coin, IMHO. That's not "very attractive," Elbesaar - that's " glorious." I'm amazed it didn't get a gold bean at MS62, and the 63 money Harry is asking is (IMO) justified in this case. In terms of eye appeal it flat beats the stuffin' out of the MS64 example on the site. http://www.hlrc.com/record_image.as...=6&s=30&c=10 |
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