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Late Die State Of The V-9

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Here is a photo of the 89 O V-9 Leroy Van Allen states the break is not big enough to list as a V-9a.

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 Posted 12/26/2012  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be nice to see full photos of the clashed partial "G" die stage to see how this crack has evolved.
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The problem I have with this coin is Leroy labeled it a late die state Vam-9. The mint mark is not in the right spot for the Vam-9. The break also has full displacement on a year and mint mark coin that many look right there looking for the clashing, and this is the first breaker seen. J Roberts told me to send it back to him as if it never when there. And a letter stating what VAM it looks to be. JR was not sure of that as well other then to say its not a Vam-9 for sure.

I found a second 1 on E-Bay that has been cleaned and the seller had it listed for 500.00 and MS. I told him I not only had the same coin and die pairing but my coin was about the same grade just not cleaned. I then told him about the break and where to find it. Its still up for sale but now for 200.00 the guy is reading a grading book and fails to see luster breaks and flat spots on high points as ware. I suggested that he post the coin here for opinions on Grade and sent him a link to this coin.

We all started with no knowledge then grabbed a bunch of information and very little understanding and made mistakes. I do not think the seller is playing games, he just is misinformed. We all hoped our coins where worth more then they are from time to time!

It looks to have a light clashed N but not the same as the Vam-13 also a Clashed M but not is the same spot it has been clashed 2 times with about 7 degree rotation posible light E clash on an EDS of this coin has it looks to of had a bit of wreath clash on top of the head but its been almost all worn off.
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CHIT RUSS...it is all to clear.....a break its a break its a break!!
I guess I am missing something but I am not here on this case...
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I was wondering why you didn't post it over on VAMworld. You appear to be correct about the miss on the die pair. Your mm is clearly set different from the C3f shown as VAM9. I guess it wouldn't hurt to send it back to LVA. Good luck Russ.
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I had this coin in Philly at the ANA, We all kind of went over this one. If it was early G clasher that would be great but its not :)
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Very similar to 88o v1f. The crack is listed as a revision only.
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