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Proof Like (Pl) Morgan Or Not?

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 Posted 12/31/2012  7:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Numisto to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

My first post on the forum, though I've read a lot here.

I just sent my first batch to NGC for grading and I had a couple not do as well as I expected, which, I think, is common. In particular, though, I had a Morgan that I thought was a very likely PL candidate come back just MS64. That is basically my question to you guys. Do you think the grade is correct? I own an MS64 PL Morgan and I sent in the coin in question because it matched so well.
To fuel the discussion, I took comparison shots. The coin in the photo is always labeled. If it isn't, the front of the other one visible. So, you're looking at either an MS64 Morgan or an MS64 PL Morgan. Any input would be appreciated. Do you think I should try for a regrade or contact NGC or just live with it? Are they both PL or should both not be PL? I should say, I don't think I can really test PL status in a slab because the reflection comes from the plastic of the slab first.


Thanks again,
Derek

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 Posted 12/31/2012  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its basically a guarantee that some of the coins wont do as well as expected when sending them in. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the value between a 79s 64 and 79s 64pl is like 50 dollars which would make it barely worth it if you got the pl grade considering the cost, to me thats not worth the risk and I would just leave it as is. If your doing a pl set and have reasons other than the money you want it pl you can give it a shot, but I would say to break it out and send it in raw again if you do. Them seeing what they graded it before will bias them that its not a pl
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 Posted 12/31/2012  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to say it, but they got it right.
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 Posted 12/31/2012  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Going by the pics, I have to say it is not PL. A beautiful coin to be sure, but not quite PL.
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I think your 1879 is right on the edge, semi-proof like. The important thing is your 1882 is PL. Much harder to come by than 1879 in my opinion.
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 Posted 12/31/2012  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coins and I would say that it probably just missed the PL. Still a beautiful coin vs normal ms64 morgans that don't look even close to proof like
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 Posted 01/01/2013  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback, and so quickly, too. Should I be asking, then, if the PL coin doesn't deserve that designation (Not that's I'd say anything!).

For those who are saying that NGC got it right, can you articulate why the MS64 doesn't deserve the PL that the MS64 PL got?

I will say this, the cheek on the MS64 has a lot more dings than the cheek of the MS64PL. Maybe they didn't give me the PL but raised the MS number to make up for it?!



Thanks again,
Derek
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It's not possible to articulate based on the images provided. PL and DMPL designations are defined by a specific standard and you'll have to confirm that yourself, which you can do easily.

A coin which clearly and readably reflects 12pt newspaper type in the fields at a distance of no less than 4", both obverse and reverse, is PL. For DMPL, that distance needs to exceed 6"+.
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 Posted 01/01/2013  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the photos you've provided my grade would be MS63PL for the 79S
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The thing that just jumped out at me was the contrast on the PL coin....Man, they're both nice! I think NGC got it correct and I think you got a good grade on the second one
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 Posted 01/01/2013  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jnew2117 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a Morgan I'm sending in shortly and I believe it is prooflike, I guess we'll find out soon though! Your coins both look beautiful, I'd like to add them to my set!
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