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Valued Member
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It is considered "damaging" to restore a Buffalo nickel's details? I know alot of you do that but would that warrant a details grade from a TPG? |
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Pillar of the Community
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It would be an altered coin, non gradable. Restoring the details removes metal from the coin, exposing the old design with "metal Memory". These coins are generally considered damaged and a TPG will not grade them or even put a Details designation upon them. |
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I have seen some ANACS slabs with details grades for acid treated dates. It is considered damaged, however, I support the practice. If it has no date and is otherwise worthless, why not?
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New Member
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No date = no value. Acid restored date = maybe some value as a hole filler.
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Forum Dad
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No date = no value To you = No value To a seasoned collector = No value Free to a 6 year old kid standing in front of me at the FUN show = Priceless It's all relative my friend.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:These coins are generally considered damaged and a TPG will not grade them or even put a Details designation upon them. All of the major grading services will slab them with a details grade and proper notation of the date restoration. Of course, there are really only a couple that would be worth submitting- the 1916 DDO and the 1918/17-D(also a DDO). Edit: I excluded the 3 Legger for the simple fact that I have never seen a dateless example and the 1930s issues typically have much stronger dates than the Teens and 20s issues. If you were lucky enough to find a dateless 3 Legger, that one would be worthy of slabbing as well. Edited by biokemist6
01/02/2013 6:06 pm
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Hmmm. Can a 1918/7-D really be considered a DDO? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yes, it is a Class 3 Doubled Die(Design Hub Doubling) along with all of the other 20th century "overdates". The die was impressed using a 1917 hub, put back on the shelf, and then impressed the second time with a 1918 hub. The 1960 Lincoln Large Date over Small Date is another example of Class 3 Design Hub Doubling.
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"No date = no value"
Im fairly certain the main exception to this would be a dateless 1937 d three legged buffalo. Since it is identifiable even without a date, you would be decreasing its value by making it a details grade coin when instead it could be slabbed by a TGP and sold at a much higher price.
-XoG
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I thought I had made a list somewhere of all the Buffaloes that can be identified when dateless, and therefore should be spared from the acid... Off the top of my head: 1913 Type I (all mints) 1916 DDO1918/7-D 1920 (all mints) 1921 (all mints but 1921-S is the cherry-pick!) 1924 (all mints) 1937-D three-legged Not all of those are of any value restored or no, but some are keys. There are also two-feather varieties (but those happen on multiple dates, so may still need acid) and there's the three-and-a-half leg one, but I can never remember what date it is. 1921-S is surprisingly not that hard to find in dateless and even partial-date lots, so that's really worth searching for before you reach for the Nic-a-Date. |
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How can you idenfify the dateless others besides the type ones and the three leggers?
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Pillar of the Community
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The 1916 DDO has die markers and doubling is visible on other devices. The 1918/7-D has distinctive die markers (although there's only a slim chance you could find them on a dateless example). 1920, 1921 and 1924 have very specific design characteristics. I need to make a better quality version of this image:  |
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I would be astonished if anyone ever found a naturally occurring, dateless, 1937-D 3-legger. I have NEVER encountered a truly dateless nickel of any sort beyond 1935, and I doubt you'll ever encounter anyone who has played around with more dateless nickels than me. (1935-D is actually a pretty routine find. 1931-S...? Exactly 2 in literally 10s of thousands of MINT MARKED nickels!)
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Pillar of the Community
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That's a good point. I recall finding hardly any dateless nickels from the 30s. A identifiable partial dates, but that's about it.
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Thanks for posting those die markers CaptainFwiffo!
I have found one or two dateless 1936 p coins through acid dating, but never a 37
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Posted 01/02/2013 08:22 am
