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Attribution Sought: 1799 Bust Dollar

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 Posted 01/04/2013  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Badges?....I don't need no stinkin' badges

Just a 1799 bust dollar......I think a badge would be cheaper.
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 Posted 01/09/2013  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to be a member of the 1799 Draped Bust Dollar Owners Club. Hopefully, there is an initiation or hazing involved. This was graded NGC F-12.


Attribution-Sought:-1799-Bust-Dollar

Please excuse the scuff marks on the left obverse. It is, after all, over 210 years old.
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I'd like to be a member of the 1799 Draped Bust Dollar Owners Club. Hopefully, there is an initiation or hazing involved. This was graded NGC F-12.


Attribution-Sought:-1799-Bust-Dollar

Please excuse the scuff marks on the left obverse. It is, after all, over 210 years old.
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 Posted 01/13/2013  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What do you mean? Lettering like what?


Sorry, that sounded silly. What I meant was there are slight waves on the font that is very visible on matthewvincent's coin that I had not noticed before. It is the same type of feature that facinates me about the 2s and 3s in some of the bust halves.

Just my inner child admiring his coin.
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 Posted 01/13/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ha ha, chesterb! Hazing comes with being a member here.
Scuff marks? I'm 61 and have a LOT of scuffs, bruises, grey hair and a new ache or two every few days.
Coins help to relieve the "old age' issues.
Welcome to the 1799 club: "the dollar was the only silver coin made this year."
Can anyone confirm this?
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 Posted 01/13/2013  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Just my inner child admiring his coin."

You are too kind. MY inner child throws a tantrum when he sees a coin from another member that he wants but can't have.
"Slight waves on the font?" I want to smoke whatever YOU are!
Really, CoinsKelly, what are you seeing that I am not? I need to learn.
Do you refer to the serifs on the letters or to something else?
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My communication skillz are waaaay off on this thread! Let me try again.

Yes, the serifs on the bottom are what got my attention. I had never noticed that before. I had one of those moments of of awe noticing a detail that I had not noticed before. I have never seen one in had and have only been able to admire it from afar.

Thanks for the giggle!
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 Posted 01/13/2013  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what he means, and am reminded of the uniforms of a certain baseball team:
http://www.statestreetproducts.com/...&imgsize=big
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 Posted 01/13/2013  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
YES! philadelphian, I see what you mean but, I cannot put it into words.
It might just be the fancy way people wrote letters and numbers back then.
ARGH! Coin investigation gets pretty difficult at times.
Let's just all agree to be confused together, OK?

Friends?
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You betcha!
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What I meant was there are slight waves on the font that is very visible on matthewvincent's coin that I had not noticed before.

OK, that's what I thought you might have meant. That is called bifurcated lettering and it actually a result of a weaker strike not allowing the metal to fill the letters properly. You will notice that the wave is at the base of the uprights of the letters. When the coins are struck the metal flows outward in those uprights untill the reach the far end and then the upright fills from the far end base to the base. if the strike ends before the letter fills completely the base curves upward into the uprights. It is not a special font. Different specimens of the same variety will show differnt amounts of this curving of the bases and in some cases the letters will be fully and normally formed. This feature can be seen on some other early coins struck in screwpresses with open collars. A truly close collar restricts the outward metal flow and causes the lettering to fill faster and easier.
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Thanks Conder101. I assumed it was due to the wear of the coin; it never occurred to me that was due to the strike!
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Welcome to the 1799 club: "the dollar was the only silver coin made this year."
Can anyone confirm this?

All my references indicate that YES, this is indeed true.

And I decided to post fresh pics of my BB-22, so that folks won't have to chase them down in an old thread just to have a peek at this raw gem. The photos are too red.. toning is more of a golden shade:

Attribution-Sought:-1799-Bust-Dollar
Attribution-Sought:-1799-Bust-Dollar

So far this impromptu 'club' seems to have seven lucky members:
matthewvincent, the O/P
mysilveryears
philadelphian
jeffrose
CoinHawkeye
g048406
chesterb

Pleeeeeze step up if you have another to show!
As for badges, I wish now my old Badge-a-Minute kit were still around. It would be cool to turn everyone's photo into a wearable pinback.
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 Posted 01/14/2013  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This topic is turning out better than I could have hoped for!
Does anyone know if either the Mint or the Smithsonian has a die press from the time period?
A picture of such press would be nice to see.

bifurcated - verb - used to describe a middle aged person who optometrist has just broken the news
that he or she needs bifocals.

Ex: "Hey Joe, looks like you've been bifurcated!"

I wonder, Condor101, if the weak strike was not actually a blessing. The example I have is remarkably
even instead of showing weak and strong areas.

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Sorry, I have to put my tongue back in my mouth. If only I could afford a coin like that. Well, I guess that will be a long way away. (15 with a part-time job lol.)
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