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I decided to VAM the Morgans currently in my date set. I was able to attribute all of them except my 1880 Philadelphia. This one had me running around in circles. Maybe someone can help me out, if the pictures provide enough details, or, maybe someone can narrow it down and I can go from there. Thanks!



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1880-P is a bear to attribute. You're going to need some serious magnification on the date to identify doubling, which is almost certain to be there but needs to be differentiated from almost 75 different variants. This is not for the faint of heart. On the bright side, if you don't have any of the overdates - doesn't look like it - nor any clashed letter transfer (I'm guessing if you've already VAMmed the rest of your coins you're generally aware of both feature types), this is purely an intellectual exercise as opposed to an added-interest or -value one.
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This is purely intellectual, I don't have any of the valuable VAMs, but this is a great learning experience for the series. I might just give up on this one though, because I don't have the means to do some serious zoom in photography and I have already spent way too much time on just this one trying to figure it out!
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Yeah, otherwise you're left with a huge loupe in your hand, and a painstaking, page-by-page back-and-forth navigation of the 1880-P's at VAMworld. VAMming can be sometimes.

With that said, have a go at looking for letter transfer, particularly at the neck. Upon further study I can see what might be evidence on yours.
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Did you have a good look at the clashed m reverse varieties?
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The coin is a Vam-28a
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The coin is a Vam-28a


I'm buying it. With my attention drawn to the 8-0, I can see the characteristic doubling and the clash locations fit.

You da man, Russ.
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Nice call Russ. I clicked sort by reverse and VAM28A disappeared.
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twohawks, thanks a bunch. You are right on, after checking it out again, it is indeed a 28A.
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For all. Clashed coins are usually not that difficult to attribute. Even the 1880. Note the exact position on the neck where the "wing line" meets the jaw or neck. On the reverse, note where the neck line transects the space between the "n" and "G" of In God We Trust. These are like fingerprints. For the die pair they are in the exact same location on every coin. But there's a difference between other (sometimes very significant placement variations) die pairs. If I have a clashed 1880 I note these two positions and compare to photos of clashed coins on VamWorld. If I get a match I then confirm diagnostics.
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I do the same thing. Some call it backwards but it works well for me, that is, until I come up on a clasher that has no letter transfer and is not listed.
Always remember to check the VNA's at the bottom of the page also.
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