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 Posted 01/24/2013  12:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These two coins came in a lot I bought last week.

The coin in the first photo has a laureate bust of Zeus facing to the right on the obverse and an eagle standing to the left on the reverse.
There are a few faint letters in the left field.
Weight: 5.28 grams
Diametre: 20 mm

Ptolemaic?

The second coin is more puzzling.
The blank side is concave. No idea if it is the obverse or reverse side.
The other side has a bird walking to the left.
Listed as "Greek" but I have not seen any ancient Greek coin like this. I thought it looked "south-east-Asian" with the style.
Weight: 1.58 grams
Diametre: 13 mm

I will greatly appreciate any input into the identifying of these two coins.
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 Posted 01/24/2013  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, for some reason the "Upload Image" funtion is not working. I click it and it bumps the page up.
Will endevour and try later.
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01/24/2013 1:07 pm
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Voila!

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First one certainly is Ptolemaic, settling on which exact one could take a while:

http://www.megagem.com/ancient/ptolemy_series.html

Cant help with the second.
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Thank you Bobby, I've bookmarked that link!
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Interesting coins! Especially like the Ptolemaic.
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I suspect the second is early modern Asian (Cambodian?). I recall once thinking something similar should be ancient but discovered it was much later and did not pursue it further. I do not believe the first is Ptolemaic just from style but do not have the ID off the top of my head either. I'd start looking in Italy (Brettian League?) but am now away from my books so can be of no great help.
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I'd start looking in Italy (Brettian League?)


Thank you Doug!
I will check Sear on the coins of this league and I will see what comes up in a google image search for Cambodian coins.
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interesting, check out this picture I found of a "Cambodia Fuang silver 1600-1800 Hamsa bird Coin" ...pretty close.



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Doug's suggestion of the "Zeus" AE being of the Brettian league seems to be close, thank you Doug!
From most examples I see online, an AE22, it weighs an average of 8 grams. Though there is a a "slice" missing, I wonder would that make it up to 8 grams? Otherwise the faint lettering seems to match the "..TION" of "BRET-TION".

The only "spanner in the works" is that in Sear and in online examples a cornucopia is in the left field of the reverse, which is not the case in my example.
See here:
http://www.tantaluscoins.com/coins/22088.php

Thank you chrsmat71 for the photo, I could not find any examples online for "ancient Cambodian coin".
Note also the blank reverse.
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