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Pillar of the Community
United States
5362 Posts |
I know we have all experienced frustration with ebay when reporting items that we believe should be removed for rules violations. I also know that once you ask ebay you never get an answer due to privacy issues which can be frustrating. But I now have proof that the committee we have all heard about actually does exist. I have been accepted as a voting member of the committee. There are I believe roughly 10 members on each committee and it is a secret vote on each coin. I do not know the other members nor do I want to but I can vote and BRIEFLY make my case. So far it works well. There are upwards of 30 a day to review in World Coins which is the specialty I cover. Many are actually gone before I even get to vote so unanimity is NOT required. It is fun but needs to be done for about 1 hour a day - I usually do AM and PM half hours for a break. The junk 1882 Mexican 8R and Chinese, Japanese and Korean rarities predominate. So far no one has reported a Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit and I hope it stays that way. I can not entertain questions about any actions of the committee on specific items or on any other "potentially private issues" but I finally get a sense that at least something is being done.
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Idle question - did they reach out to you, or vice-versa?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1796 Posts |
I'm surprised I haven't been poked about this yet. I'm getting to know several ebay employees on a first name basis from reporting counterfeits. :-)
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5362 Posts |
Dave - I actually had made repeated inquiries including a couple phone calls to their headquarters more than a year ago. With no results. But periodically (every month or two)I have offered to volunteer again for the committee. I always give my credentials. I wrote one of those typical requests to volunteer a couple weeks ago and attached it to a report to Safety about a dozen bad world counterfeits I had spotted that were junk. ebay replied asking if I would be interested because they had one opening for a World Coins authenticator that they had not filled. They have surplus US coin people it seems. The approval process took a couple days. Then I started getting coin reports to review. So far only two that I have reported as fake have been allowed to run. No idea why. I think the timing was just perfect.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2130 Posts |
swamperbob, Congratulation on your appointment. You help me w/ a Trade dollar sometime ago. Not sure you remember. But, it worked out and I was refunded. Thank You Again for that help. On another note; Now we have a man on the inside. 
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Pillar of the Community
United Arab Emirates
557 Posts |
Excellent information. Now we know that ebay is taking the correct steps.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Great to hear ebay is taking advantage of your extensive expertise--that's a real benefit for collectors.  I probably report a coin every couple weeks, and it's good to hear that experts are reviewing these coins.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
well-deserved, of course, but from what I've learned about ebay, surprizing. I look forward to your comments after you've been on the committee for a while.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Wow, that's an excellent and unexpected news ! Thanks a lot for what you are doing, here and now on ebay :) I'll continue reporting stuffs then, as I was so disappointed that I stopped that ... PS : Hope you'll help Juan Melgar in the decision to close his crook business ... ;)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3486 Posts |
Good News about ebay for a change. swamperbob, congratulations! Persistence paid off.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5362 Posts |
Matthew Crooks like Melgar are exactly the type we should be reporting. What bothers me are reports about Riddell listed contemporary counterfeits that are properly described. These coins are collectible, legal and of historic significance but they are treated identically to the Chinese or Spanish junk. Anyone who wants to send me a link to an ebay auction directly be my guest. Can't promise it will get faster action but who knows. I am still reporting and have not been told that is against any rule yet.
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New Member
Germany
26 Posts |
Swamperbob, I whole heartedly appreciate your knowledge and time in enlightening folks on coins that are real vs fake! Some folks on ebay may very well not know he/she has a fake in their possession and if he/she removes the item and acknowledges the insight you have given, then I'm sure the help is greatly appreciated on their end. On the other hand there are folks who know they have a fake and are just trying to make a quick buck on the unknowing. Thank you once again for using your valuable time to help others! It just goes to show how dedicated you are to the hobby of numismatics. Without folks like yourself this hobby would slowly die off.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Swamperbob : anything contemporary, listed properly, should stay there ... Allas, the ebay rules are not allowing this AFAIK (at least not in the coin section). Not sure how you could handle that - just not take action (you can't report them as OK I suppose ?)
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5362 Posts |
NO I have to follow the rules as written if the coin is reported and is counterfeit it would have to say so. But I can make an editorial comment that such a coin is legal and contemporary.
The glimmer of hope that I see is at the end of the tunnel might be to CERTIFY and encapsulate Contemporary Counterfeit Coins as legitimate collectible and LEGAL varieties. This might be adequate for all parties and counterfeits could be posted - just not in a raw state and only certain types. The cost of encapsulating a CCC would of necessity vary by type but it might be worth exploring in more detail.
As I see it all US counterfeits except demonetized and no longer legal tender issues could not be posted. They are all illegal under current US law.
Most monetary copies that are of "current" world coins still in circulation would also be illegal.
But non-current world coins could be encapsulated in various categories - contemporary - recent but pre-1973 - or numismatic without fear of legal involvement. We would have to mark all post 1973 and Numismatic coins with COPY to stay legal in the US. Weight, assay and class would be needed on the data window at a minimum.
There are some Riddell varieties that could be done completely without XRF in well known assays but most coins would need testing. An accessible database of tests results could be developed as a subscription service.
Just some quick thoughts.
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Valued Member
Germany
194 Posts |
I'm starting to see a future again in ebay! Quite conincidentially, about two weeks ago a coin that I reported as fake was taken off by ebay - the first reaction ever I had after more than a year!
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Valued Member
Australia
112 Posts |
Great to hear some positive news re: ebay handling of fraudulent listings - I'm hoping that these services extend to reports from places like ebay Australia, and is not restricted to the US. It would certainly be refreshing to see a cleaner, safer environment at ebay, and may go a way towards developing stronger faith in online auction sites. Nice work.
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