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 Posted 01/27/2013  6:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Unexpected trade brought this one in to my possession. What would you grade her?

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 Posted 01/27/2013  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
polished up,no?

its either the lighting in the pic or its harshly hair lined and cleaned
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 Posted 01/27/2013  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
probably the lighting ....no hairlines in hand under a 10x loupe ....lets try round 2 with pictures
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 Posted 01/27/2013  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures Round 2

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 Posted 01/27/2013  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like EF-40 or so for detail. I'm bothered by the flatness of Liberty's legs. That area seems to show the wear of a coin in VG grade and really looks out of place. The denticles are poorly struck and/or merging with the rim in some areas which again seems inconsistent with the overall amount of detail. I also wonder about that coppery spot on the reverse: some kind of struck-through material, alloy inclusion (i.e., "copper spot"), or maybe a corrosion spot?

Half Dimes in general can show odd strike patterns and uneven rims so maybe your coin was just made that way.
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@ Joabler, just looked at it under a loupe, the rim is weakly struck on the reverse around united. However my pictures on this leave something to be desired. I also looked at the copper spot on the reverse and does not appear to be corrosion....at least under a 10x.
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Well whatever that copper spot was on the reverse it came off with a touch of acetone
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New photos then! without spot.

It does look weakly struck. I'd agree @ EF40 minimum.

It's such a great looking design when not full of letters or stars! This and the 1837 Dime w/o stars both remind of Gobrecht dollar pattern coins, one of my favorite US coin designs when Liberty is not cluttered up in the design, very asthetic looking.
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 Posted 01/28/2013  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Round 3 on the pictures: There is a touch of luster left in hand

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shadowtrooper78,
This link may be of interest to you:

http://seateddimes.yuku.com/topic/2....UQbD8HfjFLQ

Yours is a so-called "large" date and mine is a "small" date. The link above gives mrhalfdime's (aka Steve's)
explanation of how to tell the difference: flat top one is small, hook top one is large.

As for condition, I am not uncomfortable with XF. Your picture, highlighted below, is my reasoning:

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Mine is marked XF-45 but I can live with XF-40.


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Her shoulder clasp and the pole from her hand to the leg
are two areas that I examine.

Edit:
Done with a scanner and not a fancy camera.
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i did, sorry
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Thanks matthewvincent that was an informative read on a type that I'm not all that familiar with....just like the looks. I traded 3 fairly common AU morgans for this guy....best date was a 90-S. I feel pretty good about it. @ DS I remember you posting that before....I think....beautiful obverse.
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@ DS I wasn't complaining really like the obverse on that coin
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shadowtrooper78 that was a good deal IMO these are quite hard to find in nice shape in any grade, while Morgans are for the most part a dime a dozen (well maybe a little more than that with silver prices up lately).
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Quote:
@ DS I wasn't complaining really like the obverse on that coin


i know you weren't, I just felt silly constantly posting the same coin in too many threads...

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@ DS it's one of those interesting pieces....beautiful obverse....then someone or some thing went nuts on the back......so many questions with that coin....very cool
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