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A Hoard, An Accumulation, A Collection [rant]

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 Posted 02/03/2013  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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austrokiwi, you describe a "cache."

cache (n.)
1797, "hiding place," from French Canadian trappers' slang, "hiding place for stores" (1660s), a back-formation from French cacher "to hide, conceal" (13c., Old French cachier), from Vulgar Latin *coacticare "store up, collect, compress," frequentative of Latin coactare "constrain," from coactus, pp. of cogere "to collect" (see cogent). Sense extended by 1830s to "anything stored in a hiding place.



I use the Oxford English Dictionary:


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Hoard noun 1. a store of money or valued objects 2. an amassed store of useful information



But "Hoard" in the context of money isn't solely in the realm of the English speaking world it is also used in the American speaking world in regards to numismatics.



Given your view there are a huge number of numismatic articles that would need to be rewritten and have 'Hoard' replaced with "Cache":

One example:The article " Longuet's Salonica Hoard re-examined" Published in American Numismatic Society Museum notes number 29.


In numismatics( academic) the term properly and usually used is "Hoard" not "Cache"

Further examples famous coins hoards include:

The Stepney Hoard
The Exeter Hoard

And I for one won't be rushing off to tell David Bowers that the title of one of the books he edited is wrong:

http://www.amazon.com/American-Trea...p/094316169X

Nor likewise the American Numismatic Society:

http://www.amazon.com/Coin-hoards-A...=coin+hoards.


As I had said it was a minor point but if you want to insist that people use the right terms, then use the right terms.



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02/04/2013 06:53 am
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Sap,
Thank you for the analysis.
Especially the details about legal definitions for Great Britain and Europe.

"It's entirely possible that great-grandpa's "hoard" was originally organized by him as a proper "collection", but the logic behind the organization died with him."

Perhaps that is the saddest thing of all.

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Mattewvincent and Sap, those are pretty keen analyses. I will add, that we all know (or some anyways) that there are rarely straight cuts in life, or plain black and white explanations, so with that mode of thought, there are the hybrid realms of collection and collector. I would classify myself as a collector/accumulator with a dash of hoarding. For instance, I'm specifically "collecting" SLQ's and WLH's. I have a "collection" of LWC'c in a book by date and mint, as well as a hoard of LWC's in a huge wine jug. I accumulate ASE's and 64 and previous silver. There are several more examples, but you get the idea. Of course, it took awhile for me to narrow down something I wanted to actually collect as opposed to accumulate. Like anything, with more experience and knowledge comes more refinement and method - it's part of the learning curve.
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